OccupyOakland Protester Kills Parents

[Dementia_Madness]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/01/29/BA9P1N089K.DTL&tsp=1

They had dedicated their careers to helping others escape poverty, she as a physician assistant in a city-run clinic in the Tenderloin and he as a clinical psychologist for inmates in the San Francisco County Jail system.

But now, less than a decade after they adopted, their 15-year-old son stands accused of strangling both Poff, 50, and Kamin, 55, then hiding their bodies in the back of the family's PT Cruiser. [...]

Co-workers said Poff and Kamin were having some arguments with their son, some of it having to do with him spending too much time in the Occupy Oakland encampment, but nothing that sounded beyond the scope of typical teenage rebelliousness.

[Flummoxed Lummox]

What's the point of this thread? Seriously.

If I come across some random murder, and ascertain the killer is a Christian, should I start a thread titled, "Christian Kills Wife"? Or maybe "Tea Party Conservative Kills Wife"?

[NCVol]

Is there a point other than a pathetic attempt to tie a tragedy to/blame it on the Occupy movement?  

[NCVol]

What's the point of this thread? Seriously.

If I come across some random murder, and ascertain the killer is a Christian, should I start a thread titled, "Christian Kills Wife"? Or maybe "Tea Party Conservative Kills Wife"?

I think he got the reaction he wanted, and we just "fed the troll"

[CD]

DM, it does stretch one’s imagination beyond reason to think for even one moment that any of those fine OWS citizens could do such a heinous thing. Okay, rapes, public masturbation, tossing blood and urine on vendors that refused to give free food, attacking police, vandalism, public urination and defecation, public sex, drug dealing, blocking traffic, pushing old women down stairs, anti-Semetic sloganeering, shootings and lots of hating America stuff (“I wouldn’t give a f*** if 9/11 happened 911 times"), but parent killing? Hard to imagine, isn’t it?

[Just Win]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/01/29/BA9P1N089K.DTL&tsp=1

Not surprised at all regarding this tragedy DM. If you look back at extreme contemporary liberalism you see this kind of mental illness in profusion. Just look at William Ayers and his part in the Weather Underground that went around blowing up the Capital building, police prescient in NYC that killed a cop... Then you have the Unibomber that took it upon himself to kill those he did not like. And I could go on and on with the menially infirm on the extreme left but I will end it with this one. The radical extreme leftists founder of Earth Day, Ira Einhorn, in an uncontrolled fit of rage beat his girlfriend to death and stuffed her remains in a trunk. I will spare you the rest of the gruesome details on this horrice crime. The point is extreme left radical behavior like we have witnessed at this OWS sleep-in drug and sex evenets is a harbinger of mental illness. All these welfare love-in drug type commune slobs are on the edge and unstable. You can't smell that bad and not have some sort of problem.  


An Occupy Wall Street Protesters accused of living in filth as shocking pictures show one demonstrator defecating on a POLICE CAR

Guess who this person above will be voting for come November?

[Dementia_Madness]

I made no comments for a reason, to let people come to their own conclusions. Ncvol apparently has already come to his own, as has his little brother.

What we have here us a tragic story of loving parents who were doers and givers, and a son who obviously has some emotional problems...but then again don't we all (apparently). Yet one more tragedy tied into the occupy movement, alone perhaps not that big a deal or coincidental, yet add this to the extremely long list of such tragedies, and it becomes something else, sure by itself perhaps another story of a wayward teen to the extreme. It is amusing that "violent video games" are brought up, similar to the way it was tried with columbine, which was really an example of atheistic Darwinism to its extreme. Folks make up your own minds, you can take it for what it is or you can just pshaw it away and imagine it's something you want it to be...I am not sure we will ever get the full true story in any case, usually once the desired scenario is repeated enough, the truth takes a back seat and we all just get taken along for the ride.

JW we know how much our libs love their pseudo-science to somehow give them guilt by association reasoning and justifications, here is one they will cry about...not saying I agree..but it is funny:

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/02/psychiatrist_co.html

As a clinical and forensic psychiatrist, Lyle Rossiter has treated over 1,500 patients and examined over 2,700 civil and criminal cases. Turning his hand to political psychopathology, the author of The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, has diagnosed an alarming percentage of the population as suffering from the grotesque form of mental derangement known by some as moonbattery.

Among Rossiter's observations:

   Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded. Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.

    A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity — as liberals do. A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population — as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation's citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state — as liberals do.

    The roots of liberalism — and its associated madness — can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind. When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.

Basically liberalism is a willful failure to mature beyond adolescence that can have catastrophic consequences for society. With luck, the official diagnosis of this disease by a mental health professional will facilitate the search for a cure.

Sound like anybody we know?

http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2011/11/conservatives-are-mentally-healthier.html

I've often wondered if mental illness is more common among those who self identify as liberal than those who self identify as conservative. I suspect the answer is a resounding "yes," but I don't know if there is solid evidence justifying my suspicion.

I'm not familiar with the relevant science, but a bit of googling turns up some survey results showing that Republicans are more likely than Democrats are to describe themselves as being in good mental health. Another commenter, John, asserts that liberalism and neuroticism are correlated. From what I'm able to gather, the evidence for that is pretty mixed, but again, I'm really not qualified to speak on the subject.

http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2011/11/more-on-demographics-of-mental-health.html

all in good fun, but,  I don't know if libs are actually more likely to suffer mental illness, but the narcissism and frequent attempts by some here to force their opinions on others, who disagree with them, and the total dogmatic faith they have in pseudoscience speaks volumes.

[NCVol]

Yet one more tragedy tied to the Occupy movement....

The guy had a black belt in karate.  Since he's spent years studying that, isn't it more accurate to say, "yet one more tragedy tied to martial arts?"

He went to a charter school.  How about "yet one more tragedy tied to charter schools?"

He lived in SF.  "yet one more tragedy tied to SF." 

He was a young man.  "yet one more tragedy tied to young men." 

He was adopted.  "yet one more tragedy of adoption." 

He had a mother and father.  "yet one more tragedy tied to the adoptive parents and the traditional family." 

And he did, apparently, play video games.  So why exactly isn't it, "yet one more tragedy tied to video games?" 

I don't know if libs are actually more likely to suffer mental illness, but the narcissism and frequent attempts by some here to force their opinions on others, who disagree with them, and the total dogmatic faith they have in pseudoscience speaks volumes.

I see, so when libruls argue with conservatives, they're "narcissists" trying to "force their opinions on others."  But when conservatives disagree, they're simply pointing out the "truth" to potentially/likely/arguably mentally ill libruls? 

And can you point out an example of our "dogmatic faith in pseudoscience?"  I often refer to facts and evidence, and BEG you all without any success to argue using your own facts and evidence, but that's actually different than pseudoscience. 

[Sasquatch]

I was going to start another thread, but I think it actually fits here.

Do these people really represent the 99%?

Occupy protest rekindles debate about flag-burning

"He asked the crowd, `What do you want us to do with the flag?'" Johnson recalled. "They said, `Burn it! Burn it! Burn it!'"

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OCCUPY_OAKLAND?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-01-30-18-52-14

The article does says some were against the flag burning. However, I think we should brand the whole group as libs would do to Tea "Baggers".

[Dementia_Madness]

I see, so when libruls argue with conservatives, they're "narcissists" trying to "force their opinions on others."  But when conservatives disagree, they're simply pointing out the "truth" to potentially/likely/arguably mentally ill libruls?  

actually no, ncvol, it's not arguing with conservatives, it's when someone continually seeks to silence those who oppose them, there is a difference. Like I stated so many times in the past, I have no desire to silence you guys, I am glad you are here, I want what I believe to be put to the test, if I am wrong then prove it, if not then state your case and let our opinions stand side by side. Iron sharpens iron after all. Can we say the same of some liberal posters here, one for certain? No I do not think so. YOU my friend have even sunk to the same low level on many occasions, and in turn forced us to have to sink low, much to my chagrin, to respond. It has not come down to a debate but an almost animalistic NEED to be proven right, or seen right, regardless of whether you are right or not. The 8th grade Obama speech is one example (dogmatic faith in pseudoscience?), and this has been an ongoing thing...read some posts from now and then and see the typical I'm smart you're dumb, we're smart you're dumb" justifications from the left...it's foolishness and demands a response. In the end it no longer comes down to truth facts or anything, simply opinions and what appearances are.

[NCVol]

So, just to be clear, you don't think the actions of a few in one location represent the whole movement?  I agree.  

As I've said, I do not agree with libruls who characterize the Tea party as racists.  There are racists in the tea party, there are racists in the democratic party, there are racist liberals.  I just think the "tea party" is essentially the right wing of the GOP and astro turf for the likes of Dick Armey.  

BTW, for Occupy Oakland, it's not just the flag burning - the Oakland group has done several things I disagree with.  Some of them trashed their city hall building, for example. I heard an interview yesterday with a Guardian journalist who has been with the Oakland movement.  The disturbing part was she reported the group couldn't come to a "consensus" on non-violence - that maybe 90% agreed, but 10% did not.  Seems to me the 90% has a choice - refuse to participate or force those who accept violence as a legitimate tactic out.  

[Sasquatch]

I just think the "tea party" is essentially the right wing of the GOP and astro turf for the likes of Dick Armey.  

And I think that OWS is essentially the left wing of the dems and astro turf for the likes of George Soros, the unions, the communist/socialist party, etc.

BTW, here is some riveting stuff from Dear Leader to an OWS person:

President Obama takes a question from an "Occupy" protester during his Google+ Hangout web event.

"Mr. President, I voted for you. I'm paying my taxes, I'm unemployed five years now and I need help. I'm 52, what am I going to do? How will I recover from this? Do you have a plan for me?," the Occupy protester ask.

Obama told her his solution is to "grow the economy."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/01/30/obama_takes_question_from_occupy_protester_at_online_google_event.html