Intelligence Study Links Low I.Q. To Prejudice, Racism, Conservatism

[NCVol]

Racism against blacks is very miniscule IMO. 

I read an article a few weeks ago, can't find the link, that quoted white southerners in the 1960s.  Would it surprise you to learn they didn't think racism was a problem either... 

Just saying a white male probably isn't the best judge of whether or not racism is a non-issue in modern America. 

Here's a poll from 2008.  http://www.gallup.com/poll/109258/majority-americans-say-racism-against-blacks-widespread.aspx



So, half of all whites, who haven't had a door shut in the U.S. because of their race EVER, think racism against blacks groups isn't a big deal.  But roughly 80% of blacks think it's widespread.  Are they all brianwashed, deluded, stupid, claiming victim status?  Why do you think only 20% OF THE GROUP ARGUABLY DISCRIMINATED AGAINST agree with you?  Could be lots of reasons, but one you should seriously consider is they're correct and despite decades of progress it's still a widespread problem. 

Bill Cosby, Eddie Murphy, Michael Vick, Cam Newton, Obama, Jim Clyburn, Oprah, Clarence Thomas, Ron McNair (from a small southern town in SC in Clyburn's district), and Herman Cain would never have achieved greatness in the America that existed 50 years ago. 

That's evidence of a lot of progress, not the end of racism, or its reduction to "miniscule" levels. 

IMO, humor is not racism, if there is no hatred behind it.  Some may be tasteless, but as long as it is not hateful and hurtful, I do not believe it should be classified as racism.  America would be stronger if we could poke a little fun at one another without being offended.  Turn on TV land and catch an episode of Archie Bunker when the Jeffersons moved into the neighborhood.  It is good humor, not hateful or spiteful. 

Let's take an example - comparing blacks to monkeys or savages.  Whites might think it's funny.  Blacks KNOW those comparisons were often made by racists as they believed blacks are evolutionarily stunted and genetically inferior.  So if it's a "joke" that was told by racists intending to highlight the facts black were GENETICALLY INFERIOR (i.e. akin to apes or savages), then it might NOT be so funny to a black person.  That you might not INTEND it as an insult hitting to the core of the racist argument that blacks are inferior is sort of irrelevant.  It's still the joke a racist would make and its rational for blacks to suspect that in many cases, not all, the joke is INTENDED as racist. 

How about "You don't sweat much for a fat girl?"  HAHAHAHA!!!  Yeah, but MAYBE a fat person conscious of her weight might not see the humor. 

[SpongeBob]

The online dictionary Encarta defines "racist" as "somebody who hates others who are not of his or her own race."  I see your chart and it just makes me wonder what the point of the question is other than to provide fodder for blacks to claim racism.  It has been my observation that this is used by blacks to have their way.  I wonder about the experiences of the Blacks and the Hispanics in this survey.  Were they U.S. Citizens?  Where have they experienced people being racist to them...on the job? - that's illegal and punishable...buying a house? - that's illegal and punishable...  Notice the definition; it says somebody, not a white person who hates a black because they are black.  Where's the question asking "Do you think racism is or is not widespread in the US?"  Racism exists and will never completely go away - it's easier to not like someone who isn't like you rather than take the time to get to know them.    All we can do is lead by example by not being racist and educate others to not be racist.  Anyone can be racist.  This study has one purpose and Charleston nailed it, purely political.

[plumbervol]

How was racism defined? Did they just ask if you hate on black folks or was it measured by the answers to questions? I know many racists that hide behind a suit and tie and not behind a white robe. They just know how to answer the questions..... I admit I have prejudice, I don't want to and I am working on this problem but it is there. I am an old southern gentleman raised in the early 60's and it comes with the territory. I heard interviews with many of the old Freedom Fighters on a PBS program and they admitted to built in prejudice, they just understood that it was there and tried to not act on this prejudice and just do the right thing. The problem is when these attitudes are redefined by institutions to not be defined as racist. In the early 20th Century Progressives instituted Jim Crow not in the name of racism but as a tool to protect the "black Folks" from their ignorance until they were ready to take the reigns of leadership after they were enlightened. Poll Taxes voting reforms that measure so called literacy are once again rearing their heads. The argument is that it is not prejudice it is only anti ignorance....

[Sasquatch]

So, half of all whites, who haven't had a door shut in the U.S. because of their race EVER,

 

Wonders how somebody could possibly know this or honestly make this statement when this country has practiced affirmative action for how many years now?

Definition: Affirmative action refers to policies that take factors including "race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation or national origin" into consideration in order to benefit an underrepresented group, usually as a means to counter the effects of a history of discrimination.

Nope, I cannot see how a white person or a non-minority owned business applying for a government contract has EVER had a door shut on them because of their race. 

[whinervol]

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[Jeremy Roenick]

Nope, I cannot see how a white person or a non-minority owned business applying for a government contract has EVER had a door shut on them because of their race. 

As a general contractor, who has had a job or six (where I was low bidder) thrown out to minority contractors who were higher bidders, No...   I have absolutely no idea what it's like to have a door shut on me because of my lack of color....  /sarc off/

[NCVol]

I'm not a fan of racial set for lots of reasons, but there is a difference.  At the end of the contracting process, after the set asides, the racial mix of contractors by dollar volume will still be something like 99-1.  And so the "discrimination" against white contractors is happening at the margins, at the 1% (or 5% or whatever the mix is, I'm guessing it's 1%). 

In universities, there is no doubt that minorities get preferences for hiring, so do women, and the same thing applies there.  There might be ZERO professors in the department who aren't white males, and so a preference for women or minorities gets the number all the way to ONE or TWO out of 20 or 30. Sorry, but I'm not going to crying for the white guy who "lost out" because one of his schools hired a black person or a woman.   

And you have to balance out those "preferences" with the fact that's demonstrated in every study, and it's that if you're white, you on average make more money, even after controlling for education, experience, etc.  And if you send in a resume with a 'black' name, you have lower odds of getting a call than an IDENTICAL resume with a 'white' name.  etc. 

So the point is there are documented REAL disadvantages in being black in the vast majority of business situations.  And the questions are, 1) is that a problem - the admittedly comparatively small amount of discrimination that remains compared to 40 years ago, and 2) if it is, what if anything can or should be done. 

I don't have a problem with those who argue that we shouldn't be doing much about it.  I disagree that NOTHING is the right answer, but a better strategy might be one that targets economic disadvantage, small businesses, rather than race, since I don't believe Jim Bob from Lenoir City faces much of a different inherent disadvantage than a black guy from Lenoir City.  Jim Bob's road is easier as a white guy in a world still dominated by white men, but the real divide is class these days, IMO, and not race.  Romney versus Jim Bob.  And I don't have a problem AT ALL with preferences that target small businesses - the big boys can buy a congressman or two, or obliterate any advantage over drinks one evening at the $100k to join 10k/month Country club.  You can't ignore that even today, in many of them, there are NO blacks or women allowed in those places, but neither is Jim Bob. 

[Jeremy Roenick]

I'm not a fan of racial set for lots of reasons, but there is a difference.  At the end of the contracting process, after the set asides, the racial mix of contractors by dollar volume will still be something like 99-1.  And so the "discrimination" against white contractors is happening at the margins, at the 1% (or 5% or whatever the mix is, I'm guessing it's 1%).

The government and US Army Corps of Engineers jobs that require HUB Zone participation or DBE goals are such a "losing proposition" that my company NO LONGER BIDS them.  So you go operate your slide rule and tell me what that percentage works out to.

After you lose a half a dozen or so of these, you quit bidding them all together.  As a non-minority contractor that is.  And I could tell you a list a mile long of DBE contractors who "make a living" off government contracts.  NC, honest question, do you believe that is what the system is intended to do?

Factual.  So much for leveling the playing ground.

[CD]

Moreover, said Alinsky, whenever possible the organizer must deride his enemy and dismiss him as someone unworthy of being taken seriously because he is either intellectually deficient or morally bankrupt. “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength,” said Alinsky.[79]  He advised organizers to “laugh at the enemy” in an effort to provoke “an irrational angerwww.discoverthenetworks.org]

Hence this thread. And a good number of other leftist posts here and elsewhere.

[Flummoxed Lummox]

Moreover, said Alinsky, whenever possible the organizer must deride his enemy and dismiss him as someone unworthy of being taken seriously because he is either intellectually deficient or morally bankrupt. “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength,” said Alinsky.[79]  He advised organizers to “laugh at the enemy” in an effort to provoke “an irrational angerwww.discoverthenetworks.org]

Hence this thread. And a good number of other leftist posts here and elsewhere.

Why is the far right obsessed with Saul Alinsky? No one on the left gives a damn about him. 

Your post does nothing to refute the data from the the two IQ studies I have linked.

[NCVol]

Moreover, said Alinsky, whenever possible the organizer must deride his enemy and dismiss him as someone unworthy of being taken seriously because he is either intellectually deficient or morally bankrupt. “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength,” said Alinsky.[79]  He advised organizers to “laugh at the enemy” in an effort to provoke “an irrational angerwww.discoverthenetworks.org]

Hence this thread. And a good number of other leftist posts here and elsewhere.

I'll just add that Saul Alinsky seems to be directing the attacks of the right wing, instead of or maybe as well as the left. 

It's beyond delusional for a right winger to post this:  "the organizer must deride his enemy and dismiss him as someone unworthy of being taken seriously because he is either intellectually deficient or morally bankrupt....."Ridicule,” said Alinsky, “is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule.." and not see the tactic in action on Fox News and especially right wing radio EVERY DAY.  My gosh, I listened to 10 minutes of Levin last night and it was a monologue on the "morally bankrupt" liberal fascists marxists communists liberal socialist kenyan illegal america hating Obama and his minions.  That IS right wing talk radio.  You'll find it in nearly every 8 minute segment, often entire segments are NOTHING BUT THAT. 

Does the left do that as well?  Of course, but that is what right wing radio IS.  Non stop.  Hour after hour.  With Obama starting before inauguration and just ramping up from there. 

Unbelievable how you don't see it.   

[CD]

“Why is the far right obsessed with Saul Alinsky? No one on the left gives a damn about him.” – FL

Really? I consider Hillary Clinton a leftist, don’t you? She has demonstrated great interest in Saul Alinsky: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/

There are many, many others on the left that have been inspired to radical action by Saul Alinsky, and follow his playbook. Barack Obama included. But leftists always publicly deny this, even as they follow Alinsky's Rules. Kind of comical, really.