DaVols' I hate Lane Kiffin Merged Thread

[bemert11]

I love it can't wait

[count]

It is obvious that you all are avoiding this question like I predicted. When you think about it you and any intelligent person would have to say sure he would have had a great career if he where to accomplish this. However, in speaking the obvious you would be coming to the rationailzation that the past 16 years have been special....and will not ever be duplicated at this University. Stand up and take a bow Coach. The silence has confirmed that the dolts on this board have finally admitted that they hope the new staff can do half as much as you.

if its so obvious then maybe you should get the message....no one cares what you ask

[InvestiGator]

Steve Spurrier is obviously Lane's idol.  He knows how to use the booster meeting to stir the pot and launch some shots for media attention.  The video was funny.  Hope he can back it up for the Vol Nation and his sake.

SOS actually won some games somewhere before he crowed.

[Rocky Top]

SOS actually won some games somewhere before he crowed.

Doesn't matter if you can back it up. Ain't no rules in talkin smack...when you back it up. Here, this should be renamed for our gator friends...

[Yo Mamma]

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Steve Patterson
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Update: Kiffin's accusations create busy day in SEC
Talk about it in The Dawgvent
Lane Kiffin hopes that the 2009 Tennessee football team is better than in 2008, and that Volunteer recruiting for 2010 is better than the group he signed this year in recruiting. Improving from the dismal 5-7 performance of last season is an obvious goal, but his statement on Wednesday, "Understand this class is far below the standards we have here and what will be here in the future," on Wednesday probably does not sit well with the prospects and parents of 19 players who faxed in their national letters of intent. .
That statement should not come as a surprise, and, as shocking as it was, he belted out another one Thursday morning when he publicly accused Florida head coach Urban Meyer of recruiting violations.
Late Thursday, SEC Commissioner Mike Slive issued a reprimand to Kiffin citing league rules that prohibit coaches from publically criticizing other coaches or players.
However, this latest bizarre episode should not come as a surprise as he has had no problem speaking candidly since arriving in Knoxville.
 
 

 

Lane Kiffin   
"Marlon [Brown] called last night, said that he loved it here, but that his grandmother would not let him come," Kiffin said Wednesday. Why he chose to "throw the grandmother under the bus" as fans on Internet message boards characterize the event is unclear. However, it seems to illustrate a departure from the hypersensitivity in most college coaches' approach to recruiting.
For instance, in past years, Georgia head coach Mark Richt has refrained from commenting in his signing day press conferences on any players that UGA did not sign, and, while NCAA rules clearly state that coaches cannot comment on prospects until they have signed their letter of intent with their school, the rule does not mention comments that coaches from one school might make about a prospect after he signs with another school.
The NCAA rules are full of gray areas and just knowing them is not always enough as so many are subject to interpretation by the individual institutions. South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier first raised a red flag about Kiffin just days after the new coach was hired by questioning if Kiffin had contacted prospects before passing the NCAA certification test. Tennessee officials later discounted the claim by saying that all the necessary paperwork had been finished prior to that contact.
Still, Kiffin's ability to ruffle feathers outside of Columbia quickly became evident when he first predicted a Tennessee win in the Swamp next season: "It's going to be fun hearing Rocky Top after we beat Florida next year." He later turned his attention to the Georgia coaches when he suggested that the UGA coaches had gone to sleep on recruiting in the Peach State by assuming all the top talent would come to Athens.
"He said [that] Georgia went to sleep?" Richt replied when questioned about it in a teleconference. "I would say this: I'll just make comments about our program and everybody else should probably do the same."
________________________________________
Coach Kiffin has violated the Southeastern Conference Code of Ethics. SEC Bylaw 10.5.1 clearly states that coaches and administrators shall refrain from directed public criticism of other member institutions, their staffs or players. The phone call to which Coach Kiffin referred to in his public comments is not a violation of SEC or NCAA rules. We expect our coaches to have an understanding and knowledge of conference and NCAA rules.
Mike Slive
SEC Commissioner
________________________________________
Clearly, that is not the case. For the record, the only Georgia prospect Tennessee signed was safety Darren Myles who had not been in the Bulldog mix for quite some time. On the flipside, Richt signed the top two players from Tennessee, both of whom had scholarship offers from the Vols -- Marlon Brown and offensive lineman Austin Long.
Perhaps the frustration with those two facts fueled Kiffin's most explosive comments to date came today: "I love the fact that Urban had to cheat and still didn't get him. Great job man," he said referring to alleged calls made by Meyer to prospect Nu'Keese Richardson while the latter was on an official visit to Tennessee.
It is because of moments like that that Kiffin has attracted the interest of at least a few Southeastern Conference coaches, but it is not just the cavalier comments.
According to a recent story by the Associated Press, the total base payout to the Tennessee coaches in Kiffin's first year will be nearly $5.3 million. The amount of money itself is not really the issue, but how the staff gels with such vast differences in their individual compensation is something other coaches are anxiously waiting to see.
Kiffin's father, defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin tops the charts at $1.2 million a year. Meanwhile, Ed Orgeron, who has three areas of responsibility as assistant head coach, defensive line coach, and recruiting coordinator, brings in just over half that at $650,000.
Continuing the nearly 50 percent reduction trend, offensive coordinator and line coach Jim Chaney will get $380,000, followed by linebackers coach Lance Thompson at $350,000, and then it is back to the almost 50 percent drop.
Running backs and special teams coach Eddie Gran leads the lesser paid at $185,000, while quarterbacks coach David Reaves, tight end and tackles coach James Cregg, and wide receivers coach Frank Wilson both get $150,000, while defensive backs coach Willie Garza, who other than the coordinators and special teams coaches, is in charge of more players on the field at any one time than any other assistant coach, gets a paltry $110,000.
By contrast, the difference between Florida's top paid coach not named Urban Meyer and the least paid coach is just $150,000 a year.
When Georgia defensive tackle and recruiting coordinator Rodney Garner interviewed for a position on Kiffin's staff in January, he was reportedly offered as much as $400,000. According to the State of Georgia Department of Audits and Accounts' Salaries and Travel Reimbursement report for fiscal year 2008, Garner's base salary for the year was $202,467.94. However, with the addition of incentives, that actual number was just over $253,000.
Garner turned Tennessee down saying that money was not the issue.
Regardless of the reasons why Garner passed, money is probably not much of a topic in the back of Georgia coaches' minds as the gap between the highest base salaries and the lowest is about $81,000.00.
Again, all numbers mentioned are base salary, and the total payouts could be much larger. For instance, UGA defensive coordinator Willie Martinez, who's base in 2008 was $226,416.66, could make as much as $546,000.00 with bonuses, incentives, and benefits.
This lock-step professional approach, his comments that he will outwork everyone else, and the blatant disregard for whatever informal head coach fraternity might exist are not entirely all new to the SEC.
When Spurrier was at Florida in the 1990s, he famously took shots at Georgia by calling then head coach Ray Goff "Ray Goof", said that you could not spell Citrus (the second most prestigious bowl for the league at the time) without UT, and called arch-rival Florida State "Free Shoes University" following a controversy in Tallahassee. However, though despised by fans from those three schools, the comments were generally light-hearted.
There are examples of coaches accusing other schools of cheating, but in the most famous cases, those coaches had a proven record of accomplishment in the conference and came up on the losing end of the deal. Likewise, there have also been big pay differences among assistants, but nothing close to the setup now in Knoxville.
Perhaps Kiffin's approach is due to his youth. At 33 years old, he was in college when Internet message boards began to boom in the late 1990s. Coaches have occasionally cringed with the way fans speak to one another and make no qualms about "throwing their own team under the bus".
It could be just a sign of the times, and that we should expect more and more college coaches to act like the Internet message board posters about whom their forbearers warned us about.
Who knows, but, just like the proverbial bull in the china shop that UGASports.com and its then 33 year old founder hit the scene in 1997 with blatant disregard for the established norms, perhaps Lane Kiffin is one of the early birds in a new breed of college coaches.
Whether it is a disregard for the real and implied rules or simply a lack of being fully qualified for the position only time will tell. In the meantime, other college coaches are certainly eager to watch and see.
**UPDATES**
Since this column was published on the afternoon on Thursday, Feb. 5, several other problematic Kiffin quotes have come to light:
Pahokee (Fla.) high school coaches confused and saddened by comments made by Kiffin that they could somehow sabotage Richardson's letter of intent thus preventing it from arriving in Knoxville. Miami Herald
Kiffin sends a text message from Richardson's cell phone to Pahokee coaches describing his visit to Tennessee: "Yes. I love it. My decision is made." Palm Beach Post
Also, there have been numerous stories on various Kiffin issues:
Kiffin reprimended by SEC AP
Florida responds quickly to Kiffin's recruiting accusation; NCAA says no rules were violated. Miami Herald
Lane Kiffin apologizes for accusing Meyer of cheating Palm Beach Post

[Yo Mamma]

He embarrased his current class. He does not know the rules. He says things that are lacking in class, intelligence and facts. He pissed off the very coaches in Florida that he hopes to recruit in the future. You have them defending themselves. Commenting on players signing elsewhere is not funny or calling them out. It is ignorant. Talking trash is good in a locker room or internet site but not in public. The master is Pearl. Layne should study everything he does and try to copy. You all (RT) can act like this is nothing and  him for mixing it up all you want, but this i snot the way you do it. Has Layne went from National Laughingstock to a more pathetic figure. AKA shortbus pathetic? I however am being proven correct in all that I have told you much sooner than I expected. Instant confirmation is always nice.

Steve Patterson
Publisher
Related Links:
Update: Kiffin's accusations create busy day in SEC
Talk about it in The Dawgvent
Lane Kiffin hopes that the 2009 Tennessee football team is better than in 2008, and that Volunteer recruiting for 2010 is better than the group he signed this year in recruiting. Improving from the dismal 5-7 performance of last season is an obvious goal, but his statement on Wednesday, "Understand this class is far below the standards we have here and what will be here in the future," on Wednesday probably does not sit well with the prospects and parents of 19 players who faxed in their national letters of intent. .
That statement should not come as a surprise, and, as shocking as it was, he belted out another one Thursday morning when he publicly accused Florida head coach Urban Meyer of recruiting violations.
Late Thursday, SEC Commissioner Mike Slive issued a reprimand to Kiffin citing league rules that prohibit coaches from publically criticizing other coaches or players.
However, this latest bizarre episode should not come as a surprise as he has had no problem speaking candidly since arriving in Knoxville.
 
 

 

Lane Kiffin   
"Marlon [Brown] called last night, said that he loved it here, but that his grandmother would not let him come," Kiffin said Wednesday. Why he chose to "throw the grandmother under the bus" as fans on Internet message boards characterize the event is unclear. However, it seems to illustrate a departure from the hypersensitivity in most college coaches' approach to recruiting.
For instance, in past years, Georgia head coach Mark Richt has refrained from commenting in his signing day press conferences on any players that UGA did not sign, and, while NCAA rules clearly state that coaches cannot comment on prospects until they have signed their letter of intent with their school, the rule does not mention comments that coaches from one school might make about a prospect after he signs with another school.
The NCAA rules are full of gray areas and just knowing them is not always enough as so many are subject to interpretation by the individual institutions. South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier first raised a red flag about Kiffin just days after the new coach was hired by questioning if Kiffin had contacted prospects before passing the NCAA certification test. Tennessee officials later discounted the claim by saying that all the necessary paperwork had been finished prior to that contact.
Still, Kiffin's ability to ruffle feathers outside of Columbia quickly became evident when he first predicted a Tennessee win in the Swamp next season: "It's going to be fun hearing Rocky Top after we beat Florida next year." He later turned his attention to the Georgia coaches when he suggested that the UGA coaches had gone to sleep on recruiting in the Peach State by assuming all the top talent would come to Athens.
"He said [that] Georgia went to sleep?" Richt replied when questioned about it in a teleconference. "I would say this: I'll just make comments about our program and everybody else should probably do the same."
________________________________________
Coach Kiffin has violated the Southeastern Conference Code of Ethics. SEC Bylaw 10.5.1 clearly states that coaches and administrators shall refrain from directed public criticism of other member institutions, their staffs or players. The phone call to which Coach Kiffin referred to in his public comments is not a violation of SEC or NCAA rules. We expect our coaches to have an understanding and knowledge of conference and NCAA rules.
Mike Slive
SEC Commissioner
________________________________________
Clearly, that is not the case. For the record, the only Georgia prospect Tennessee signed was safety Darren Myles who had not been in the Bulldog mix for quite some time. On the flipside, Richt signed the top two players from Tennessee, both of whom had scholarship offers from the Vols -- Marlon Brown and offensive lineman Austin Long.
Perhaps the frustration with those two facts fueled Kiffin's most explosive comments to date came today: "I love the fact that Urban had to cheat and still didn't get him. Great job man," he said referring to alleged calls made by Meyer to prospect Nu'Keese Richardson while the latter was on an official visit to Tennessee.
It is because of moments like that that Kiffin has attracted the interest of at least a few Southeastern Conference coaches, but it is not just the cavalier comments.
According to a recent story by the Associated Press, the total base payout to the Tennessee coaches in Kiffin's first year will be nearly $5.3 million. The amount of money itself is not really the issue, but how the staff gels with such vast differences in their individual compensation is something other coaches are anxiously waiting to see.
Kiffin's father, defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin tops the charts at $1.2 million a year. Meanwhile, Ed Orgeron, who has three areas of responsibility as assistant head coach, defensive line coach, and recruiting coordinator, brings in just over half that at $650,000.
Continuing the nearly 50 percent reduction trend, offensive coordinator and line coach Jim Chaney will get $380,000, followed by linebackers coach Lance Thompson at $350,000, and then it is back to the almost 50 percent drop.
Running backs and special teams coach Eddie Gran leads the lesser paid at $185,000, while quarterbacks coach David Reaves, tight end and tackles coach James Cregg, and wide receivers coach Frank Wilson both get $150,000, while defensive backs coach Willie Garza, who other than the coordinators and special teams coaches, is in charge of more players on the field at any one time than any other assistant coach, gets a paltry $110,000.
By contrast, the difference between Florida's top paid coach not named Urban Meyer and the least paid coach is just $150,000 a year.
When Georgia defensive tackle and recruiting coordinator Rodney Garner interviewed for a position on Kiffin's staff in January, he was reportedly offered as much as $400,000. According to the State of Georgia Department of Audits and Accounts' Salaries and Travel Reimbursement report for fiscal year 2008, Garner's base salary for the year was $202,467.94. However, with the addition of incentives, that actual number was just over $253,000.
Garner turned Tennessee down saying that money was not the issue.
Regardless of the reasons why Garner passed, money is probably not much of a topic in the back of Georgia coaches' minds as the gap between the highest base salaries and the lowest is about $81,000.00.
Again, all numbers mentioned are base salary, and the total payouts could be much larger. For instance, UGA defensive coordinator Willie Martinez, who's base in 2008 was $226,416.66, could make as much as $546,000.00 with bonuses, incentives, and benefits.
This lock-step professional approach, his comments that he will outwork everyone else, and the blatant disregard for whatever informal head coach fraternity might exist are not entirely all new to the SEC.
When Spurrier was at Florida in the 1990s, he famously took shots at Georgia by calling then head coach Ray Goff "Ray Goof", said that you could not spell Citrus (the second most prestigious bowl for the league at the time) without UT, and called arch-rival Florida State "Free Shoes University" following a controversy in Tallahassee. However, though despised by fans from those three schools, the comments were generally light-hearted.
There are examples of coaches accusing other schools of cheating, but in the most famous cases, those coaches had a proven record of accomplishment in the conference and came up on the losing end of the deal. Likewise, there have also been big pay differences among assistants, but nothing close to the setup now in Knoxville.
Perhaps Kiffin's approach is due to his youth. At 33 years old, he was in college when Internet message boards began to boom in the late 1990s. Coaches have occasionally cringed with the way fans speak to one another and make no qualms about "throwing their own team under the bus".
It could be just a sign of the times, and that we should expect more and more college coaches to act like the Internet message board posters about whom their forbearers warned us about.
Who knows, but, just like the proverbial bull in the china shop that UGASports.com and its then 33 year old founder hit the scene in 1997 with blatant disregard for the established norms, perhaps Lane Kiffin is one of the early birds in a new breed of college coaches.
Whether it is a disregard for the real and implied rules or simply a lack of being fully qualified for the position only time will tell. In the meantime, other college coaches are certainly eager to watch and see.
**UPDATES**
Since this column was published on the afternoon on Thursday, Feb. 5, several other problematic Kiffin quotes have come to light:
Pahokee (Fla.) high school coaches confused and saddened by comments made by Kiffin that they could somehow sabotage Richardson's letter of intent thus preventing it from arriving in Knoxville. Miami Herald
Kiffin sends a text message from Richardson's cell phone to Pahokee coaches describing his visit to Tennessee: "Yes. I love it. My decision is made." Palm Beach Post
Also, there have been numerous stories on various Kiffin issues:
Kiffin reprimended by SEC AP
Florida responds quickly to Kiffin's recruiting accusation; NCAA says no rules were violated. Miami Herald
Lane Kiffin apologizes for accusing Meyer of cheating Palm Beach Post

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[Yo Mamma]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3887550&sportCat=ncf

Embarrassment.

[Yo Mamma]

I should change this to Do you think Layne will actually get to coach a game at UT?

[KNOWLEDGE]

This is the biggest to do over nothing since Kid Rock.     It's a non issue.

However, The University of Tennessee has a proud tradition in football and we don't need any made up rivalry with Florida to spice anything up.    This is beginning to look a little bit like Gerry DiNardo saying things about UT to make the Vandy fans feel like they belong.

The University of Tennessee does not need to play these types of games.

[Rocky Top]

This is the biggest to do over nothing since Kid Rock.     It's a non issue.

However, The University of Tennessee has a proud tradition in football and we don't need any made up rivalry with Florida to spice anything up.    This is beginning to look a little bit like Gerry DiNardo saying things about UT to make the Vandy fans feel like they belong.

The University of Tennessee does not need to play these types of games.

UT might not "need" to but it sure is fun especially since it's the off season. Pissing off your rivals in Febuary is new territory. I have enjoyed it immensely.

[Lurker no Longer]

UT might not "need" to but it sure is fun especially since it's the off season. Pissing off your rivals in Febuary is new territory. I have enjoyed it immensely.

Not to mention LOL, that we aren't going to suffer serious repercussions (i.e. a beatdown) until next September. In the meantime, sit back and enjoy the circus.

I'm liking this better and better. Until we're actually better on the field, this is fun. In the long run, the publicity (whether good or bad) has people talking Tennessee football again. I doubt most of our potential recruits out there could give a happy damn.

The only folks this is upsetting are DaVols, various Fulmerites, and the opposition.

[KNOWLEDGE]

Who are the Fulmerites?   

I still think this is a fictional opponent created by the Don Quixote Brigade because these folks have hated the coach for so long they forgot how to be a Tennessee fan.    Basilio keeps this going because it's easier than doing actual show prep.