Mark 16.9 King James Version

[plumbervol]

Feel Free to discuss:


Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week he appeared first to May Magdalene out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Further 16-18

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he hat believeth not shall be damned.

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new  tongues

They shall take up serpants and if the drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them. They shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.

[plumbervol]

Hint: The devil is not in the details

[The One Man Gang]

You still ain't bringin' no snakes to 11:30.  I don't care how deep your roots run in Sevier County.

[TnBigAl]

  OMG!!!!

To believe, to have faith, makes ANYTHING good, possible.
I have a deep spiritual love for the MM, to me she personifies the immense longing & love for Christ / God in the contemplative sense & the physical.
Notice how writers have let their imaginations run wild at the expense of the Magdalene!

[plumbervol]

Which Apostle wrote this? I do believe this is inspired Gospel..... I do not take this or any of the Bible literally......


For some reason some people believe God turned the spigot of communication off to Man after Jesus Ascended into Heaven and the Apostles died...

[roustabout]

I do not take this or any of the Bible literally......

So, you don't believe the Bible is literal at any point?

What about the 10 commandments.  Are those a literal command from God? 
How about salvation as laid out in the scriptures.  If the doctrine of salvation is not literal, then one can not literally be saved.  How about Jesus, was He literally real?  Was their a literal church in Corinth that Paul wrote too?  Did Paul not literally encounter Jesus on the road to Damascus?

What about 1st and 2nd Kings.  Are they not the literal history of Israel??

Did Jesus literally die on a cross?

I do believe this is inspired Gospel

  Literally?????

[plumbervol]

What apostle wrote Mark 16.9 of the King James Version?

[roustabout]

what's your specific issue with the KJV?  And why didn't you answer my questions. 

 
International Standard Version (©2008)
After Jesus had risen early on the first day of that week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had driven out seven demons.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
After Jesus came back to life early on Sunday, he appeared first to Mary from Magdala, from whom he had forced out seven demons.

King James Bible
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

American King James Version
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

American Standard Version
Now when he was risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.

Bible in Basic English
Now when he came back from the dead early on the first day of the week, he went first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had sent out seven evil spirits.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But he rising early the first day of the week, appeared first to Mary Magdalen, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Darby Bible Translation
Now when he had risen very early, the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary of Magdala, out of whom he had cast seven demons.

English Revised Version
Now when he was risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven devils.

Webster's Bible Translation
Now when Jesus was risen early, the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons.

Weymouth New Testament
But He rose to life early on the first day of the week, and appeared first to Mary of Magdala from whom He had expelled seven demons.

World English Bible
Now when he had risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.

Young's Literal Translation
And he, having risen in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, did appear first to Mary the Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons;
 
 

[plumbervol]

Who wrote Mark 16 9-20?

[roustabout]

I guess you are referring to the fact that some early transcripts do not include these verses. 

I think it is important to note that it is not the KJV that includes these verses but the manuscripts that were translated. The KJV is a translation. The NIV is a translation. The Latin Vulgate is a translation.

The issue that you bring up is much much older than the KJV. I am well aware of your utter disdain for the KJV. Of course coming from someone who has the audacity to say "I do not take this or any of the Bible literally......" seems hypocritical at best. This is the thought that you can apply whatever your mind thinks to the scriptures even when they are being clearly literal. A liberty that shows at best complete lack of any hermeneutic understanding, and outright rebellion at worst. My guess is you have been spoon fed one side of this argument, and you've gobbled it up in your animosity towards protestants.

Looking first to the Greek witness, we see that it stacks up heavily in favour of the authenticity of these verses. Bruce Terry presents the following breakdown:


In Favour of Mark 16:9-20

Codex Alexandrinus (A) - (5th c. uncial, Byzantine in Gospels)
Ephraemi Rescriptus (C) - (5th c. uncial, Alexandrian)
Codex Bezae Cantabrigiensis (D) - (5th/6th c. uncial, Western)
K (9th c. uncial, Byzantine)
W (5th c. uncial, generally thought to be Caesarean in Mark 5:31-16:20)
X (10th c. uncial, Alexandrian)
Delta (9th c. uncial, Alexandrian)
Theta (9th c. uncial, Caesarean)
Pi (9th c. uncial, Byzantine)
f1 and f13 (total of 16 Caesarean texts, 11th-14th c.)
28 (11th c. miniscule, Caesarean)
33 (9th c. miniscule, Alexandrian)
565 (9th c. miniscule, Caesarean)
700 (11th c. miniscule, Caesarean)
892 (9th c. miniscule, Alexandrian)
1010 (12th c. miniscule, Byzantine)
The Byzantine textual set
Some of the Greek lectionaries

Opposed to Mark 16:9-20

Codex Sinaiticus (A) - (4th c. uncial, Alexandrian)
Codex Vaticanus (B) - (4th c. uncial, Alexandrian)
304 (12th c. miniscule, Byzantine)2
2386 (11th c. miniscule, Byzantine)

So as you can see this argument is not a simple "those damned protestants and their KJV," as you would like it to be.

There are many scholars who are far more learned and have done far more study than I. And I shall defer to them.

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2780
http://www.studytoanswer.net/bibleversions/markend.html


Let's look at the text to see if it contradicts.

+Mark 16:9-11When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons. 10 She went and told those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping. 11 When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they did not believe it.

John 20 and Matt 28 and Luke 24 confirm that Jesus appeared to MM 1st on the 1st day of the week.

Matt 28:17 confirms that some doubted

Luke 24:9 confirms that MM informed the eleven.

Luke 24:11 confirms that they would not believe what MM told them.

 
+Mark 16:12After that, (N)He appeared in a different form (O)to two of them while they were walking along on their way to the country.

Luke 24:13 confirms that Jesus appeared to two and that they did not recognize Him

+Mark 16:14Afterward He appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at the table; and He reproached them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who had seen Him after He had risen.
Matt 28:17, Luke 24:36, John 20:19, John 20:26

+Mark 16:15And He said to them, "(T)Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.


The great commission is confirmed in Matt 28:19

+Mark 16:16"(U)He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

Harmonizes with Jesus' teaching to Nicodemus in John 3:18,36 and with Acts 16:31



+Mark 16:17"These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;
Acts 2:4; 10:46; 19:6; 1 Cor 12:10, 28, 30; 13:1; Luke 10:17; Acts 5:16; 8:7; 16:18; 19:12

+Mark 16:19 So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.

 Luke 9:51; 24:51; John 6:62; 20:17; Acts 1:2, 9-11; 1 Tim 3:16; Luke 22:69; Acts 7:55; Rom 8:34; Eph 1:20; Col 3:1; Heb 1:3; 8:1; 10:12; 12:2; 1 Pet 3:22

[Dementia_Madness]

some early transcripts do not include these verses

The real question, I think, is which is the correct early transcript, if some of them do and some of them do not have the verse, is the ones that do or do not the original version written down? Also of interest is just what does the verse add or take away from the meaning of the text as a whole?

I have read several emails that quote an original source, and sometimes one email would leave out something that was said, while another added something that was said. BOTH were actually exact in conveying the desired information, and the data that was left out, or added did not change the facts one bit.

The thing here is, and if an argument must be made, we have to understand, what is added by the verse, and what could be lost by it's loss? If in translation it is lost that is understandable error, when translating to a different language there may not be a suitable translation for the meaning at a  certain time, as times change and a new translation is made from the original text, the language might then have a suitable translation, or lose one.

Me thinks if we want to argue about what is indeed original or not, we cannot unless we ourselves learn Greek, or Hebrew, and find the oldest text possible and read it ourselves, other than that we are dependant upon others verifications or arguments against the "actual" text.

Main Entry: 1lit·er·al 
Pronunciation: \?li-t(?-)r?l\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Medieval Latin litteralis, from Latin, of a letter, from littera letter
Date: 14th century
1 a: according with the letter of the scriptures b: adhering to fact or to the ordinary construction or primary meaning of a term or expression : actual <liberty in the literal sense is impossible — B. N. Cardozo> c: free from exaggeration or embellishment <the literal truth> d: characterized by a concern mainly with facts <a very literal man>
2: of, relating to, or expressed in letters
3: reproduced word for word : exact , verbatim <a literal translation>
— lit·er·al·i·ty  \?li-t?-?ra-l?-t?\ noun
— lit·er·al·ness  \?li-t(?-)r?l-n?s\ noun

I do not believe any english version of the Bible is a "literal" translation, meaning "word for word" however I do beleieve that many are "literal" or should we say"characterized by a concern mainly with facts." So one could say they are and are not literal and both be right.

[roustabout]

I guess enough time has gone by, I can say it now. Another hit and run by PV.