Now I Finally Get IT....

[Yo Mamma]

I always wondered how Hitler was able to captivate a country to the point of following and doing unmentionable activities to other humans. If you know your history, Hitler had to take control of his party and win an election during the years of Hindenburg. He did not TAKE power based on fear and murder. That came after he was in charge. The majority actually where little Nazis and followed him without question. I always wondered how he could get the masses to buy in. Now I know. Seriously. After seeing some of the newsclips of the Dolts among us (white and black) crying and celebrating the inauguration of a foreign born non citizen African Socialists to head this once great Nation. It is really true what the Dems say. The say that they can trot anyone out and they automatically get 48% of the vote. The rest is up to them. McCain is a liberal, does not look or sound Presidential and is the sole reason that the additional 5% voted for the African.

But seriously, I was amazed at how stupid the masses are/looked yesterday. I guess that  is a perfect illustration as to why 80% of the Tax revenue comes from 20% of the population. The other 80% where crying in DC yesterday.

[Shimmy]

It is sad how few people understand.  I'm sure there's a chart somewhere that shows that.

[NCVol]

Funny, I've thought the same thing about republicans.  How in the world do so many otherwise smart people ignore all reality and results and proven failure and say, "I want another four years of THAT!" 

I just wonder what you free market people would think of an employee that failed year after year, but kept coming to you and saying, "The theory says my work will produce GREAT results."  How many DAYS do you give that before you fire his and say you don't give a shiate about theory, you pay for results. 

What part of results, economically, since that's what we're on here, do you LIKE about the last eight years.  What ONE thing is really going great right now, after Bush?  Budget, savings, wages, the market, the bond market, trade, currency?  I'm just curious what part of that if you were a boss you'd reward with more of your hard earned money? 

The rest of us have looked at results and fired their republican dumb asses from Washington.  I'd think that free market capitalists would fully support that. 

[Just Win]

Funny, I've thought the same thing about republicans.  How in the world do so many otherwise smart people ignore all reality and results and proven failure and say, "I want another four years of THAT!" 

I just wonder what you free market people would think of an employee that failed year after year, but kept coming to you and saying, "The theory says my work will produce GREAT results."  How many DAYS do you give that before you fire his and say you don't give a shiate about theory, you pay for results. 

What part of results, economically, since that's what we're on here, do you LIKE about the last eight years.  What ONE thing is really going great right now, after Bush?  Budget, savings, wages, the market, the bond market, trade, currency?  I'm just curious what part of that if you were a boss you'd reward with more of your hard earned money?  good thing they don't charge to use that  thing. you would be a poor woman if they did. you are going to wear it out.

The rest of us have looked at results and fired their republican dumb asses from Washington.  I'd think that free market capitalists would fully support that.  btw, has that obama rally on wall street kicked in yet?

no it is not funny. it is delusional on your part. you sure do use many words to say nothing, kind of like your political messiah. has that obama rally kicked in on wall street yet?

[roustabout]

The crap that Bush handed us for 8 years does not make Obama a good choice. You are seeing a Hitler like response. Euphoric giddiness. Hitler propelled himself with nationalism.

The press is hypnotized and it looks more like red carpet coverage at the Oscars than a political event. Check out the confirmations. I bet they are ooey gooey.

[NCVol]

Come on roust, do you not see a massive amount of nationalism in the GOP.  "Real America" "for us or against us" "terrorist lovers" etc.  Davols is proving the nationalist elements of the GOP with every thread.  He's a foreigner, a black, a Muslim!  OMG, he CANNOT be a "real" American!  That was the entire campaign against Obama.  Socialist, terrorist lover and appeaser, not U.S. born, black Muslim. 

It was the GOP that defended a MASSIVE police state.  "If you don't have anything to hide, you shouldn't worry about wiretaps."  Or detention without charge, trial or counsel.  Or torture.  Or extraordinary rendition.  The Unitary Executive theory is one Hitler would have loved since its premise is the President cannot be restrained by Congress in running the Executive branch.  "Inherent" authority as Commander in Chief is EXACTLY the same authority possessed by a dictator or Monarch.  Bush just spent six or seven years telling us that if he declares something to be a national security threat, he does what he wants, period.  Laws, say that prohibit torture, do NOT apply if he says they shouldn't.  This all HAPPENED.  It's not debatable. 

I am NOT comparing Bush to Hitler, but if we're going to start stupid comparisons of political movements to the most evil man of our time, the Bush Presidency, the ACTUAL POLICIES, have much more to compare with Hitler and the Nazis than what we've seen so far in the 1 DAY of the Obama Administration. 

[Just Win]

Come on roust, do you not see a massive amount of nationalism in the GOP.  "Real America" "for us or against us" "terrorist lovers" etc.  Davols is proving the nationalist elements of the GOP with every thread.  He's a foreigner, a black, a Muslim!  OMG, he CANNOT be a "real" American!  That was the entire campaign against Obama.  Socialist, terrorist lover and appeaser, not U.S. born, black Muslim. 

It was the GOP that defended a MASSIVE police state.  "If you don't have anything to hide, you shouldn't worry about wiretaps."  Or detention without charge, trial or counsel.  Or torture.  Or extraordinary rendition.  The Unitary Executive theory is one Hitler would have loved since its premise is the President cannot be restrained by Congress in running the Executive branch.  "Inherent" authority as Commander in Chief is EXACTLY the same authority possessed by a dictator or Monarch.  Bush just spent six or seven years telling us that if he declares something to be a national security threat, he does what he wants, period.  Laws, say that prohibit torture, do NOT apply if he says they shouldn't.  This all HAPPENED.  It's not debatable. 

I am NOT comparing Bush to Hitler, but if we're going to start stupid comparisons of political movements to the most evil man of our time, the Bush Presidency, the ACTUAL POLICIES, have much more to compare with Hitler and the Nazis than what we've seen so far in the 1 DAY of the Obama Administration. 

don't confuse national pride in one's country with fascism and messiah worship. as a liberal i know it is difficult for you. you see democrart liberalism is a religion that demands a pseudo-messiah type to worship.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=QTb5EFZmgbs

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[NCVol]

I noticed you ignored the other points, the part about Bush asserting Dictatorial or King-like powers, and "conservatives" cheering him on because he's keeping them safe. 

[roustabout]

Bush was a mess.

When you start looking at the "worship" of Obama, and what Bush implemented in presidential power, you can start to see how a anti-Christ could emerge in our world.  People are ready to crown Obama, and he has done nothing. All because of a crumbling world economy and the Iraq war, and the mantra of change.

[KNOWLEDGE]

I noticed you ignored the other points, the part about Bush asserting Dictatorial or King-like powers, and "conservatives" cheering him on because he's keeping them safe. 

Show me the oppressed people who are suffering from this great "wrong" that you obsess over so much.   

I used to think there was some intelligence in your thought process.   However, over time, I have come to see that you believe and regurgitate everything you can find from far left articles and blogs and take these ideas as your own.    You make outrageous statements, support them with op ed pieces that you call facts and continue to repeat the liberal talking points over and over.    Which explains why your posts are normally so long.

Occasionally you get something right but most of the time, it's just the regurgitation of liberal talking points.

[NCVol]

Fine, I write too much.  What YOU don't do is anything other than call me a liberal. 

And roust, I agree 100% with that, because we've seen how easy it is for a leader during crisis to have power handed to him.  What Knowledge doesn't get is that simple point.  If it can happen under Bush, and is made legal, then there is no stopping a dangerous leader (Obama could be one, some argue) from taking Bush's powers and abusing them beyond our imagination.  Knowledge, that is exactly why the examples of abuse are so pointless.  At the founding, I'm quite sure all those men in the room trusted each other to "do the right thing" and what they did was put massive restraints on Presidential power because they KNEW that without checks it was only TIME that separated the new country from the Dictatorships or Monarchies that they left behind in Europe. 

You say, well, he didn't abuse the powers we handed him so no problem. Is that why there is a Fourth Amendment?  Why didn't the fourth amendment say "You need a warrant if you abuse the power to search but if you don't abuse that power and only search guilty criminals' houses, well that's OK."  The whole point is our Constitution assumes that eventually we will have an evil leader and the document protects us from that.  It doesn't depend on all our dictators being benign. 

It isn't a hard concept.  You can disagree and conclude I worry too much or blow it out of all proportion to reality, but you can't (coherently) argue the basic point, that it's a dangerous road to go down precisely because a charismatic leader CAN get elected and be evil incarnate, like Hitler.   

[KNOWLEDGE]

No, what the conspiracy theorist (aka: nut) doesn't get is IF a US leader does misuse or abuse this power, the citizen has legal recourse against the leader and/or the legal entity who abused the power.

There are numerous examples in history (recent and otherwise) where individuals have won large settlements against government officials, entitities, etc who abused their power.    That's the difference in America and the European countries you want to emulate so much.

When your far fetched ideas become reality, I will re think the position.   In the meantime, I'm satisifed with America having the authority to thwart the terrorist evil doers and catch and detain the ones who make these plans.

DESPITE REPEATED REQUESTS, YOU HAVE NEVER GIVEN AN EXAMPLE OF THE GREAT OPPRESSION BEING PUT UPON AMERICAN CITIZENS BY OUR GOVERNMENT.   However, by continuing to whine you and your kind will weaken the United States.....of course, I suspect that's really what you want.