F-22 Funding Cut - Please Comment OMG

[Flummoxed Lummox]

I kind of feel sorry for you guys.  You have the answer to every question - corporations good, gubment bad, republicans good, democrats bad, taxes bad, regulation bad.  And so you have to fit every issue into this box.  So I feel for you when the facts so obviously lead to a conclusion that doesn't fit into that box......but they have to!!!  Your worldview depends on there not being any exceptions!!!!  So instead of facing the cognitive dissonance, you have to just scream "GOVERNMENT!!!" and pretend that it somehow proves the point, when it does nothing at all to prove your point. 

That is the best synopsis of the conservative hacks on this forum I have ever seen. That is OMG and THE SCREAMER in a nutshell.

Don't forget to include that in addition to the traits you mention, they NEVER admit they are wrong about anything. And if the evidence of their incorrect statements is overwhelming and they can't refute facts, they simply move on to another thread and ignore it.

[The One Man Gang]

Seems the OBOGs are STILL causing trouble in the F-22.

http://strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20120126.aspx

January 26, 2012: The U.S. Air Force is spending $7 million to install commercial oxygen status sensors in the air supply systems of its F-22 fighters. This is part of an eight month effort to find out what's causing the air supply on F-22s to get contaminated and cause pilots to become disoriented or pass out. Twice in the past year the entire F-22 fleet was grounded because of the air supply problems. The first grounding lasted 140 days and ended last September. The second grounding lasted a week and ended two months ago.  The 170 F-22s comprise the most powerful component of the air force's air combat capability and the brass are eager to find out what is wrong.

The air force has already found a number of problems with the air supply system (too much nitrogen and other contaminants).  The main problem was always about something bad in the air supply. But the air does not go bad in any predictable fashion. So the air force is still looking for causes. Thus F-22 pilots, for example, give blood samples after most flights and maintainers pay extra attention to the oxygen system. And now there will be all the data from all the new oxygen sensors.

[Jeremy Roenick]

remarkable....  Something that was hashed out 70 years ago in much earlier aircraft, is now a problem in the most cutting edge fighter to-date.

Imagine if our boys in the B-17's flying over Europe had oxygen problems back in WWII.  We wouldn't have won the war.

[The One Man Gang]

I read Maj. Harry Crosby's (lead navigator for the 100th Bombardment Group in WWII) memoirs and he pointed out that they all looked like raccoons because there was a gap of exposed skin just under their eyes between the top of the oxygen mask and the bottom of their goggles.  At -30 degrees (B-17s were unpressurized and unheated) they all had permanent frostbite in that one area.

On one particular mission to Munster in 1943, the 100th launched 18 B-17s. Five of the bombers suffered mechanical problems and aborted.

Thirteen proceeded on the mission.

ONE came home: "ROYAL FLUSH" with two engines out and two badly wounded crewmen. She was piloted by the legendary Robert Rosenthal.

http://www.100thbg.com/mainpages/history/history4/bw_munster.htm

Aluminum airplanes can be crewed by Iron Men.

The book is called "A Wing and a Prayer"

Go.  Read.

http://www.amazon.com/Wing-Prayer-Bloody-Eighth-Action/dp/0595167039/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1327849314&sr=8-6

Recommendation = high.

[Jeremy Roenick]

Thanks for sharing OMG.  Good stuff.  Reminds me of the Memphis Belle story.