Census Worked Hanged in KY

[plumbervol]

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/sep/23/ap-source-census-worker-hanged-fed-body/
The word FED was scrawled on his chest. I believe it is to soon to know for sure that it was an attack aimed at a Federal Worker, it may well be a staged murder with another motive. But chances are it was some backwoods redneck that took it out on this poor guy cause he worked for the Gubmint.

I am sorry the Reagan years spawned a lot of this anti government hate among folks because of his agenda. It has spread on down to current days......

I know an element of our nation would infringe on our rights as citizens to fight Arab terrorists, supported getting American soldiers killed in Nation Building wars, and allowed and laugh at torture at Gitmo.

They also seemed to embrace Rudolph evading justice and the death of doctors who worked at Abortion clinics as collateral damage....

Has it dawned on these cracker patriots that their behaviour has created hate, harmed people and encouraged the worst in our citizens in America??? I am tired of it, is anybody else other than me fed up with this diatribe?

[NCVol]

The problem is if you believe the worst of the rhetoric that is being encouraged on the right wing fringes, assassination and murder is JUSTIFIED.  If we are headed towards Nazi Germany II, the Obama Years, then any actions necessary including killing whoever is advancing that agenda is an appropriate response. 

So yes, it does frighten me.  No matter what the reason for this murder, the rhetoric is giving unhinged crazies all the justification they need to take actually drastic action. 

[LTC]

Probably thought he was an ACORN employee.

[Flummoxed Lummox]

Anybody want to bet we learn that the murderer is a far right kook who supports Sarah Palin? Probably listens to Limbaugh and Michael Savage. I bet I'm not far off when we learn his (I'm guessing an angry white male OMG type) identity.

[roustabout]

bring out the tin foil hats.

PV, you are a paranoid goof. Using the murder of a man to prop up your agenda is pathetic. Any real American wants the perpetrators captured and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Period.

[The One Man Gang]

Unlike virtually everyone else on this board, I've actually spent a good deal of time in Clay County and they don't cotton much to gubmint busybodies no matter what their stripe.

I'll gar-an-damn-tee you the census worker asked one of the locals some questions the citizen didn't feel was any of the gummint's business and told him so.  It escalated from there.  I lump this with the two geniuses (in Clay County no less) who were soaking up beer in a C-store parking lot when one bet the other he couldn't shoot a beer can off his head.  He won the bet.  The funeral was two days later.

[NCVol]

Not sure if it's true, but a caller into HHH linked it to a corruption probe that sounded similar to what happened in Cocke Country.  The locals including sheriff and judges were protecting a criminal racket, a group of people were working with the FBI and others to shut down the criminal enterprise, and I didn't hear specifically but the murdered man was apparently an "informant."  

Five Clay County officials, including the circuit court judge, the county clerk, and election officers were arrested Thursday after they were indicted on federal charges accusing them of using corrupt tactics to obtain political power and personal gain.

We'll see I guess.  

Roust, that's not the point - no one claim that republicans as a group support radical actions.  The point was if wingnuts and the unhinged believe that nonsense spewed by mainstream right wingers - like Nazi death camps, euthanasia for grandma, census workers are a secret plot to document the people to be rounded up later when Obama initiates his Nazi style policies - then murder is an appropriate response.  If Obama is heading us towards something akin to Hitler's Germany, he SHOULD BE ASSASSINATED.  That is the right answer, necessary to save the country that we love.  

[Flummoxed Lummox]

Unlike virtually everyone else on this board, I've actually spent a good deal of time in Clay County and they don't cotton much to gubmint busybodies no matter what their stripe.

I'll gar-an-damn-tee you the census worker asked one of the locals some questions the citizen didn't feel was any of the gummint's business and told him so.  It escalated from there.  I lump this with the two geniuses (in Clay County no less) who were soaking up beer in a C-store parking lot when one bet the other he couldn't shoot a beer can off his head.  He won the bet.  The funeral was two days later.

Spare me the "I know Clay County" crap better than everyone else. I actually lived in Kentucky for several years and am very familiar with the inbreds in Clay County (think Cocke County Tennessee north). You have no idea, much less can "gar-an-damn-tee," what happened to the victim. Lumping this murder in the same category as two inbreds playing William Tell with a pistol is an insult to Bill Sparkman, the victim. Mr. Sparkman was doing his job, not hanging out drinking beer with the local yokels.

Neil Boortz today actually posited the theory that this may have been a suicide, not a murder. You've got to be kidding me. Boortz wants us to believe that Mr. Sparks took the time to scrawl "Fed" on his chest before hanging himself. And apparently to make it look like a murder, he even told the local sheriff he would be going door-to-door collecting census data. That line of thinking is straight out of Darth Mondo's bizarro world.

I'm willing to bet the following:

1. it was a murder, not a suicide
2. the murderer was a white male
3. he probably has a rebel flag either tattooed on his body or displayed prominently in the rear window of his pickup truck (next to the gun rack)
4. he is an anti-government, right wing nut job (a la Timothy McVeigh)
5. is probably involved in some illegal activity (cockfighting, moonshining, or growing marijuana)

We'll see soon enough if I'm right or wrong.

[plumbervol]

I was a Census leader in the area from Magnolia Ave to Mineral Springs up to Broadway over to Washington Pk beyond East Town Mall, I have my stories. I also worked in the Public Housing areas.

They use to require the Long Form every 10 short forms picked randomly. That form was outrageous. Thank goodness the Census has dropped that form and now use the American Community Survey.
http://2010.census.gov/2010census/pdf/2010ACSnotebook.pdf

IMO it asks to many damn questions. But it is done every 5 years I think and is not part of the 10 year Census.....

Roust,
I am just saying that all of the diatribe shoveled by the Government is Bad bunch to gain political power created an atmosphere that makes government workers susceptible to abuse ....... You can like it or not, your choice but it has made a damn government workers job much harder and it has caused many workers to be put into violent situations....

I want to add that somebody on here posted that even though murdering the abortion doctor was wrong that we all had to concede that the number of abortions dropped after his killing!!!!

Could it not also be said that all those aborted babies had souls and by killing them they went straight to heaven because they are innocent and could not have sinned? Hell the abortionists rate of saving souls would have to be higher than Billy Graham and Pope John Paul II combined......  

[Sasquatch]

Anybody want to bet we learn that the murderer is a far right kook who supports Sarah Palin? Probably listens to Limbaugh and Michael Savage. I bet I'm not far off when we learn his (I'm guessing an angry white male OMG type) identity.

Ah, nothing like an ad hominem attack from a free-thinking, non-judgemental liberal.

The problem is if you believe the worst of the rhetoric that is being encouraged on the right wing fringes, assassination and murder is JUSTIFIED.  If we are headed towards Nazi Germany II, the Obama Years, then any actions necessary including killing whoever is advancing that agenda is an appropriate response. 

So yes, it does frighten me.  No matter what the reason for this murder, the rhetoric is giving unhinged crazies all the justification they need to take actually drastic action. 

I haven't posted here in a week or so. So, I need to come back and help provide some "balance" to your views NCVol. Did this "frighten" you as much?

Outrage Over Documentary on Bush Assassination
Filmmaker Says He Wants to Spark Debate About White House Policies

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2385758&page=1

[NCVol]

Let's just say there is little in this passage that I disagree with.  Are you saying the fears expressed by republicans were unfounded back in the Bush era AND there is no problem with radio hosts calling Obama a second Hitler, or did the conservatives have a point back when the movie came out that is totally consistent with what PV said first on this thread? 

Congressman Peter King, R-N.Y., chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, called the movie "absolutely disgraceful." Neither man has seen the flick, but both fear life could imitate art.

"This is a dangerous world," Rep. King told one cable news channel. He warned that this mock-documentary "could incite real violence." The White House and U.S. Secret Service would not comment on the movie, but former agents say it is definitely cause for concern. "It puts ideas in people's heads," said Patrick Lennon, who shadowed five presidents during his 22 years with the Secret Service. "With the amount of nuts out there, who knows what they could conjure up after seeing a film like this." Lennon says the Secret Service will likely request an advance copy of the movie to evaluate how dangerous it is. "It could spur copy cat activity," says Joe LaSorsa, who spent 20 years protecting presidents for the Secret Service. Range, the filmmaker, defended the movie in a press release.

[Sasquatch]

Let's just say there is little in this passage that I disagree with.  Are you saying the fears expressed by republicans were unfounded back in the Bush era AND there is no problem with radio hosts calling Obama a second Hitler, or did the conservatives have a point back when the movie came out that is totally consistent with what PV said first on this thread? 

1. Their fears were not unfounded.

2. Wouldn't Obama be the third Hitler since Bush was the second Hitler?

3. Notice that PV's first post only takes into consideration the hatred of the far right and not the equally dangerous hatred of the far left. He even places part of the blame for this death in KY on Reagan. 

4. Since we are now in the business of creating profiles of murderers, why we don't we have some "fun" with this one:

4 NJ police officers shot serving search warrant
 
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090924/D9ATKR600.html