Census Worked Hanged in KY

[Dementia_Madness]

This is indeed a bad area in Kentucky, there are indeed people who grow pot, probably make illegal alcohol, and white trash there, but libs mentqality think along this line

there are racist stupid mean ignorant law breaking people government hating people in Kentucky,
Most people in Kentucky must follow that pattern.

Well I can say IF we thought along that line we could say the same thing about them...
There are liberals who are racist, there are liberals who are stupid mean and ignorant law breakers there are liberals who hate the government.
MOST Liberals MUST follow that pattern.

[roustabout]

Mercy me. This whole fiasco just shows that folks like NC and FL are no different than the repubs that they chastise. This is a tinfoil hat if I ever saw one. They think your average republican is borderline Timothy McVeigh.

The truth always reveals the emperor has no clothes.

[The One Man Gang]

This case turned out to be more bizarre than even I imagined.

As I said, having been down nearly every pig-path and goat trail in East Tennessee, Western Virginia and Eastern Kentucky, I had no problem with the conjecture that this idiot asked somebody the wrong question about the "family business" and got strung up for his troubles. 

I sincerely apologize to the scofflaws and ne'er-do-wells solid citizens of East KY for implicating them. 

Now we find out that he was plotting to "take one for the team" (the "team" being Team Obama) and gain his family some moola in the process.

Typical Democrat, he couldn't even do that right.

However, there is HUGE entertainment value in watching the moonbats try to walk this back and still find a way to Blame Bush.

[Flummoxed Lummox]

Now we find out that he was plotting to "take one for the team" (the "team" being Team Obama) and gain his family some moola in the process.

Typical Democrat, he couldn't even do that right.

This coming from a neocon ... the crowd that told us Saddam had WMD; that the Iraqis would "welcome us with open arms"; "Mission Accomplished"; that tax cuts for the rich lead to an increase in tax revenues; "we're not in a recession"; "the fundamentals of the economy are strong"; just to name a handful of their colossal blunders.

 

[NCVol]

Mercy me. This whole fiasco just shows that folks like NC and FL are no different than the repubs that they chastise. This is a tinfoil hat if I ever saw one. They think your average republican is borderline Timothy McVeigh.

The truth always reveals the emperor has no clothes.

You all have a very selective memory.

Which poster said this?

I'll gar-an-damn-tee you the census worker asked one of the locals some questions the citizen didn't feel was any of the gummint's business and told him so.  It escalated from there.
....
If you show up in the mountains of Kentucky, West Virginia, Western Virginia, or upper East Tennessee and say, "I'm from the Federal Government," they figure you are either DEA, OSM, or ATF and they don't like any of those.

Or this?

Yes, I'd say they are wanting to down play it. There are some wierd sicko isolationists in them thar hills.

It is likely a McVeigh like nut job.

Sadly FL tries to label those here with wackos that would perpetrate a crime like this. That is sick in and of itself. I assure you anyone that would do this to a man, has nothing in common with my politics, faith, or morality. Trying to use a tragedy like this to throw political stones speaks volumes about your own character.

Or this:

I would bet that this murder was actually drug related. There has been a spike in drug arrests there lately, and it could be that This man happened to ask some people the wrong question at the wrong time. I agree that there is plenty of anti-government feelings in much of the poor peoples of the area, and there is still much suspicion over some stranger (if he was unknown) in the area snooping around.

Or this:

i just can't help but think we have a government given a constitutional charge to take a census and it can't even do that correctly and protect the people it hires to conduct the census. then you turn around and you tell me you want to turn 1/6 th of the economy over to them in the form of our health care delivery system.

Gosh, as opposed to FL, those were a bunch of prophets! 

So if you by "those we chastise"  OMG, roust, Mondo and JW, in order, you are CORRECT! 

[The One Man Gang]

 

Like I said, this is going to have a high entertainment value.

 

[Dementia_Madness]

The fact is NC we were indeed looking at this as a MURDER, my point and I think others were that if indeed this was a homicide, then it was most likely due to drugs than any foolish anti-government conspiracy you liberal kooks were shooting for.

I am sorry the Reagan years spawned a lot of this anti government hate among folks because of his agenda. It has spread on down to current days......

The problem is if you believe the worst of the rhetoric that is being encouraged on the right wing fringes, assassination and murder is JUSTIFIED.

No matter what the reason for this murder, the rhetoric is giving unhinged crazies all the justification they need to take actually drastic action.

Probably thought he was an ACORN employee.

Anybody want to bet we learn that the murderer is a far right kook who supports Sarah Palin? Probably listens to Limbaugh and Michael Savage. I bet I'm not far off when we learn his (I'm guessing an angry white male OMG type) identity.

a caller into HHH linked it to a corruption probe that sounded similar to what happened in Cocke Country.  The locals including sheriff and judges were protecting a criminal racket, a group of people were working with the FBI and others to shut down the criminal enterprise, and I didn't hear specifically but the murdered man was apparently an "informant." 

I actually lived in Kentucky for several years and am very familiar with the inbreds in Clay County

I'm willing to bet the following:

1. it was a murder, not a suicide
2. the murderer was a white male
3. he probably has a rebel flag either tattooed on his body or displayed prominently in the rear window of his pickup truck (next to the gun rack)
4. he is an anti-government, right wing nut job (a la Timothy McVeigh)
5. is probably involved in some illegal activity (cockfighting, moonshining, or growing marijuana)

You didn't address the fact of radio hosts calling Obama the Second Hitler, on a path just like Nazi Germany, which did have "socialist" in the name, you know.....

I think this story puts the "murder v. suicide" question to rest...

Who isn't ruling out suicide yet?? ... "He was murdered,'' Weaver said. ''There's no doubt.''

Here is what I posted two days ago:

I'm willing to bet the following:

1. it was a murder, not a suicide Check
2. the murderer was a white male
3. he probably has a rebel flag either tattooed on his body or displayed prominently in the rear window of his pickup truck (next to the gun rack)
4. he is an anti-government, right wing nut job (a la Timothy McVeigh)
5. is probably involved in some illegal activity (cockfighting, moonshining, or growing marijuana)

One down four to go.

then a Census worker gets killed in what is right now an act of domestic terrorism, with the killer intending and succeeding in linking the murder to an anti-government stance and putting a scare in anyone who might help with the census.

nobody thinks that YOU or anyone on here is a killer, but what is true is Bachman and Beck and many others are pushing a message that is arguably fuel for the crazies out there.  Maybe this murder has NOTHING to do with census and is a simple case of the person seeing something he shouldn't - whatever the actual cause, the message is intended to terrorize and if the right wingers don't want to be slimed with it, condemn irresponsible talk like that of Michelle Bachman so there is no doubt that the GOP doesn't actually believe the Census is a commie plot to put republicans in internment camps.

you will never see a wingnut condemn the crazy talk of people like bachman and beck...it is what they love...hatred and craziness.  You will however, see them do as just blowing has done....condemn the government ...first condemning it for spending too much and then condemning the governmentr for not spending MORE by sending armed guards with census workers to protect them.   They truly hate our government.  It can be seen in almost everything thiing they say and do.

And of course if even ONE Census worker was escorted by an armed guard, my gosh, the crazies would go off the deep end. 

these guys can't even get worked up about a for profit corporate assassination squad, but they can see the end of the world from a census taker with ties to ACORN.

What is not really ridiculous, but totally naive, is believing that crazy statements from the likes of bachman and beck and rush DON'T contribute to something like that!

and that is just from the first 2 pages alone.



1. it was a murder, not a suicide Check WRONG!!!
2. the murderer was a white male If you consider suicide murder...Check
3. he probably has a rebel flag either tattooed on his body or displayed prominently in the rear window of his pickup truck (next to the gun rack) WRONG!!!
4. he is an anti-government, right wing nut job (a la Timothy McVeigh)WRONG!!!
5. is probably involved in some illegal activity (cockfighting, moonshining, or growing marijuana) If you consider trying to defraud an insurance company, murder/suicide, fraud, and destroying manufacturing evidene illegal activity then... Check

Look FL you actually got 2 out of 5 good for you!!!

[NCVol]

The fact is NC we were indeed looking at this as a MURDER, my point and I think others were that if indeed this was a homicide, then it was most likely due to drugs than any foolish anti-government conspiracy you liberal kooks were shooting for.
and that is just from the first 2 pages alone.

Let me get this straight, if there HAD BEEN a murder, which there wasn't, you were right and FL was wrong, because of course FL and the rest of us liberals were wearing tin hats and our totally wrong predictions were deluded, but your totally wrong predictions was actually based on sound reasoning, although totally wrong, too, since you, too, thought it was murder but advanced a believable motive for a make believe murder!   

I'm not sure I can even make fun of your incoherent reasoning coherently. 

[Just Win]

Let me get this straight, if there HAD BEEN a murder, which there wasn't, you were right and FL was wrong, because of course FL and the rest of us liberals were wearing tin hats and our totally wrong predictions were deluded, but your totally wrong predictions was actually based on sound reasoning, although totally wrong, too, since you, too, thought it was murder but advanced a believable motive for a make believe murder!  

I'm not sure I can even make fun of your incoherent reasoning coherently.  

This entire affair is emblematic of how the extreme left in this country will lie and cheat to advance their agenda. They know they can't advance their ideas if they are truthful with the American people. Instread they must take this tragic fraud and blame it on a stereotype the media straw dog and a wiling compliant left wing press boys will run with and propagate as a lie countless times. Liberals cannot be truthful re: their true agenda. It is an ideology of fraud and duplicity.

[plumbervol]

They think your average republican is borderline Timothy McVeigh.

I think that is accurate over 90% of the time. The guy killed himself and a bunch of repubs stand up and say see how you misjudged me? Conventional wisdom and stereotypes are based on grains of truth.

The typical Republican wants to be associated and stereotyped as God fearing Patriots. I see God fearing Patriots in all political persuasions. The stereotype for the typical southern appalachian and rocky mt  mid western Conservative Republican is racist violent narrow minded redneck greedy sanctimonious Bible thumping intolerant idealogues

[The One Man Gang]

I think that is accurate over 90% of the time. The guy killed himself and a bunch of repubs stand up and say see how you misjudged me? Conventional wisdom and stereotypes are based on grains of truth.

The typical Republican wants to be associated and stereotyped as God fearing Patriots. I see God fearing Patriots in all political persuasions. The stereotype for the typical southern appalachian and rocky mt  mid western Conservative Republican is racist violent narrow minded redneck greedy sanctimonious Bible thumping intolerant idealogues

The typical Democrat wants to be associated with red-book waving Communists, Socialists, Statists and various other totalitarians.  I'll take my chances with the Bible-thumpers.  After 12 years of religious ed, I can argue them into the ground if I so desire. 

Communists will just shoot you and bill your family for the bullet.  And that doesn't just hold for murdering conservatives, ask Trotsky and Beria.

[Dementia_Madness]

NO NC, IF there had been a MURDER, which there wasn't, it is more likely that it would have been drug related than any anti-government conspiracy.....

EITHER WAY EVERYONE who was convinced it was MURDER was mistaken.