Is Napolatano Doing Her Job? How did Known Terrorist Get on Jet?

[Just Win]

Instead of wasting time investigating veterans that exercise their second amendment rights and scouring and deliberating over our underwear each time we board a jet perhaps Homeland Security should be taking care of the obvious such as checking the manifest to see if known terrorists are on the jet. I am back from Canada and I see the liberal lies are in profusion on the board in my absence. All this money we taxpayers are paying for Homeland Security and we can't even stop a known terror suspect loaded with explosives from boarding a jet headed to Detroit. Simply massive incompetence. Do we really want this bunch deciding what healthcare we receive.




Obama Homeland Security Czar the honorable Janet Napalatano



Link =http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/flight_253_passenger_says_at_l.html

While Mutallab was poorly dressed, his friend was dressed in an expensive suit, Haskell said. He says the suited man asked ticket agents whether Mutallab could board without a passport. “The guy said, 'He's from Sudan and we do this all the time.'”

Mutallab is ni@@erian. Haskell believes the man may have been trying to garner sympathy for Mutallab's lack of documents by portraying him as a Sudanese refugee.

The ticket agent referred Mutallab and his companion to her manager down the hall, and Haskell didn't see Mutallab again until after he allegedly tried to detonate an explosive on the plane.

[Flummoxed Lummox]

I love how you conveniently left out this one tiny (note sarcasm) detail in your feckless attempt to pin the blame on the Obama administration:

Michigan man who was aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253 says he witnessed Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab trying to board the plane in Amsterdam without a passport.

While Mutallab was poorly dressed, his friend was dressed in an expensive suit, Haskell said. He says the suited man asked ticket agents whether Mutallab could board without a passport.

I suppose in your bizarro world it is somehow Janet Napalatano's fault that ticket agents in Amsterdam allowed a passenger to board a plane without a passport.

Your Obama Derangement Syndrome is showing. Get help.

[ben stein fan]

It is the administration's fault that they have instituted the policy of prohibition of information between governmental agencies. Maybe if the FBI and Homeland Security were able to share information then this might have not happened.

[ben stein fan]

This is the Administration's responsibility...talking about advanced checkpoint screening devices

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/28/us/28terror.html?_r=2&hp

"Privacy advocates, for example, have tried to stop or at least slow the introduction of advanced checkpoint screening devices that use so-called millimeter waves to create an image of a passenger’s body, so officers can see under clothing to determine if a weapon or explosive has been hidden. Security officers, in a private area, review the images, which are not stored. Legislation is pending in the House that would prohibit the use of this equipment for routine passenger screening.
To date, only 40 of these machines have been installed at 19 airports across the United States — meaning only a tiny fraction of passengers pass through them. Amsterdam’s airport has 15 of these machines — more than just about any airport in the world — but an official there said Sunday that they were prohibited from using them on passengers bound for the United States, for a reason she did not explain."

[GRAY]

since obama was elected, we have had a terrorist shoot up an army base, and another attempt to blow up a commercial flight on american soil. 

[Flummoxed Lummox]

since obama was elected, we have had a terrorist shoot up an army base, and another attempt to blow up a commercial flight on american soil.  

Yeah, I bet Obama was in on both. After all, he is a Muslim ya know.  

The title of this thread ("How did Known Terrorist Get on Jet?") is another example of the misinformation coming from the right. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was not a "known terrorist" prior to his attempt to blow up Northwest Air Flight 253. Here are the facts:

1. Abdulmutallab had been placed in a database of over 500,000 other names in November of this year. That database did NOT deny him passage by air into the United States.

2. He only came to the attention of U.S intelligence last month when his father reported his son's extremist views to the American Embassy in ni@@eria.

3. Abdulmutallab had a work visa in the US that was valid through June 2010.

4. One can argue why, but he was NOT elevated to the more serious list of some 18,000 who are designated for additional security searches.

To say he was a "known terrorist" is simply factually not true. He was known to have radical views. He should have been red flagged for an additional security search. But prior to Friday, he was not guilty of terrorist activities.

Of course, I've come to expect this kind of misinformation from the right. Sad.

[ben stein fan]

Yeah, I bet Obama was in on both. After all, he is a Muslim ya know.  

The title of this thread ("How did Known Terrorist Get on Jet?") is another example of the misinformation coming from the right. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was not a "known terrorist" prior to his attempt to blow up Northwest Air Flight 253. Here are the facts:

1. Abdulmutallab had been placed in a database of over 500,000 other names in November of this year. That database did NOT deny him passage by air into the United States.

2. He only came to the attention of U.S intelligence last month when his father reported his son's extremist views to the American Embassy in ni@@eria.

3. Abdulmutallab had a work visa in the US that was valid through June 2010.

4. One can argue why, but he was NOT elevated to the more serious list of some 18,000 who are designated for additional security searches.

To say he was a "known terrorist" is simply factually not true. He was known to have radical views. He should have been red flagged for an additional security search. But prior to Friday, he was not guilty of terrorist activities.

Let us take your Huffington Post talking points one by one

1.  His entire name not just his last name was in the data base...I am sure that his full name is not a very common name...plus the US government gets a list of all passengers on every flight to the US before it arrives...we have turned back planes before because of this concern

2.  His father reported that he believed his son was trying to become a suicide bomber and told the US government of his son's recent trips to Yemen which is a known terrorist hot spot

3.  The US government can and should have immediately removed his visa...which leads me to a previous point that the Obama administration put back some of the walls that the Bush administration had taken down after 9/11

4.  Again the administration was pulling back some of the Bush policies that had some civil libertarians worried about privacy rights

[LTC]

Put simply, the failed and discredited Republican minority is effectively breaking the United States Senate.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_12/021671.php

December 29, 2009
DeMint Blocks TSA Nominee
The Washington Post notes that an "alleged attempt to blow up a transatlantic flight from Amsterdam to Detroit on Christmas would be all-consuming for the administrator of the Transportation Security Administration -- if there were one."

"Instead, the post remains vacant because Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) has held up President Obama's nominee in an effort to prevent TSA workers from joining a labor union."

See news spot at top of forum!

[Just Win]

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_12/021671.php
See news spot at top of forum!

It does not take another overpaid bureaucratic paper pusher to recognize a KNOWN terror suspect that has been reported to our government via his own father. You liberals on the board need to get together and get your various excuses and explanations coordinated on this blame game thing. I will again ask the obvious question to all you "smartest guys in the room" erudite board liberals. How did a KNOWN terror suspect get on the jet without a passport?


How did it happen?

[Flummoxed Lummox]

It does not take another overpaid bureaucratic paper pusher to recognize a KNOWN terror suspect that has been reported to our government via his own father. You liberals on the board need to get together and get your various excuses and explanations coordinated on this blame game thing. I will again ask the obvious question to all you "smartest guys in the room" erudite board liberals. How did a KNOWN terror suspect get on the jet without a passport?
How did it happen?

I see AbdulMutallab has gone from a "Known Terrorist" to a KNOWN terror suspect." 

Clearly several people dropped the ball on this one. There's no doubt his name should have raised red flags, especially considering what his father said. There's lots of blame to go around on this one. AbdulMutallab should have been searched in Amsterdam before he was allowed to board the plane. But blaming the Obama administration for the actions of a ticket agent in Amsterdam is a stretch, even for someone with Obama Derangement Syndrome like you.

There is debate whether or not AbdulMutallab had a passport. The initial reports said he boarded the plane without one, but that has not been confirmed. Even if he didn't have one, that again was the fault of the people in the Amsterdam airport.

[Flummoxed Lummox]

Let us take your Huffington Post talking points one by one

1.  His entire name not just his last name was in the data base...I am sure that his full name is not a very common name...plus the US government gets a list of all passengers on every flight to the US before it arrives...we have turned back planes before because of this concern

2.  His father reported that he believed his son was trying to become a suicide bomber and told the US government of his son's recent trips to Yemen which is a known terrorist hot spot

3.  The US government can and should have immediately removed his visa...which leads me to a previous point that the Obama administration put back some of the walls that the Bush administration had taken down after 9/11

4.  Again the administration was pulling back some of the Bush policies that had some civil libertarians worried about privacy rights

None of your points proves he was a "Known Terrorist," which was the point I was making. I never said mistakes weren't made. Of course there were. But there is no way before this incident that AbdulMutallab could be described as a "Known Terrorist," which is what Just Wind did at the beginning of this thread. That, Mr. Reading Comprehension Impaired was the point, not that plenty of mistakes were made and that red flags should have led to a more thorough security search in Amsterdam, which would have prevented him from ever boarding the plane.

Oh, and the Windbag has now changed AbdulMutallab's description from a "Known Terrorist" to a "KNOWN terror suspect." At least he understands.

[Sasquatch]

I really want to know if this is the guy who called Obama to congratulate him on winning Wisconsin? 

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