"GLOBAL" WARMING LMAO

[GRAY]

some of the headlines from drudge

Winter Could Be Worst in 25 Years for USA...
CHILL MAP...
3 Deaths Due To Cold in Memphis...
PAPER: GAS SUPPLIES RUNNING OUT IN UK...
Vermont sets 'all-time record for one snowstorm'...
Iowa temps 'a solid 30 degrees below normal'...
Seoul buried in heaviest snowfall in 70 years...
Historic ice build-up shuts down NJ nuclear power plant...
Beijing -- coldest in 40 years...
Miami shivers from coldest weather in decade...

[The One Man Gang]

[Dementia_Madness]

don't you guys know that just because most of the world is getting colder it does not mean global warming is not happening, I mean don't you understand the meaning of "global"

[NCVol]

don't you guys know that just because most of the world is getting colder it does not mean global warming is not happening, I mean don't you understand the meaning of "global"

Don't you guys realize that anecdotes of cold weather snaps in WINTER aren't evidence that the world is getting colder?

BTW, I look forward to regular updates when there are widespread reports of drought and heat waves this SUMMER, say in July and August. 

[Dementia_Madness]

lol riiiight NC.... why do people believe global warming is happening? is it anecdotes warm weather in summer? I am sorry but OFFICIALLY "Global" temperatures have been dropping since 1998...Summer and WINTER...that's a 10 year decrease... not some local anecdotal only in the winter thing. The fact is 30 years ago they said the earth was cooling, then they said it was warming 20 years ago...in the 90s they said the warming would cause cooling..... we learned that there is global warming on the moon on mars and other planets....we have also learned that the warming and cooling coincidentally happen to correspond to cosmic weather...and solar conditions.... the fact is climate changes continually...and it is caused by many factors.

two words to type in the old google "coldest summer"

Thanx for the prediction NC.... IF there is anecdotal warm and dry summer that does not mean the earths climate is changing does it? Would not the same logic apply with a extremely cold winter? IF we cause it, would not the fact that there is more greenhouse gasses being pumped into the atmosphere today than 20 years ago mean it should be warmer today, unless there are OTHER factors to consider. My prediction this summer will be either warmer or colder or almost the same as it was last year.

Question for everyone here , what ended the last ice age?

Another question, what is "normal" temperatures? is it how it used to be when you were a kid? How about when your Grandfather was a kid? What about 300 years ago? 2000 years ago? Who can tell us what "normal" temperatures are and how long they stay constant?

[NCVol]

I am sorry but OFFICIALLY "Global" temperatures have been dropping since 1998...Summer and WINTER...that's a 10 year decrease... not some local anecdotal only in the winter thing.

Have you actually looked at a graph of global temperatures.  Yes, we had a VERY unusual spike in 1998, but since then there have been warmer years and if you take out the outlier year of 1998, the trend is clear, further warming.  If this past summer is the coldest in 100 years, it's likely that that TOO is an outlier. 

Or maybe this time next year, you'll agree with the scientists that the earth is warming and your proof will that the coming summer is MUCH warmer than the record lows of 2009.... 

Point is I KNOW the global warming deniers will not maintain that any recorded summer above those record lows is proof of warming.  They will correctly disregard those outlier cool summers and look at trends.  So why do you (and conservative deniers) dishonestly maintain that 1998 isn't in fact an outlier and repeat "Since 1998, the earth is cooling!"  It's not an honest interpretation of the data and so is ALWAYS made by those who aren't actually interested in discussing the actual evidence.  The evidence is much more complicated than picking out outliers and comparing all years to that. 

Here's a graph of the longer term trend - and so far the trend looks pretty clear, to me....



Here are the hottest years since 1880.  Setting aside that 2005 is just about the same temperature, depending on the measurement, as 1998, what is the clear trend?  Does it look like a cooling trend to you? 

http://ucsusa.wsm.ga3.org/assets/documents/global_warming/recordtemp2005LoRes.pdf

1 2005
1 1998
3 2002
4 2003
5 2004
6 2001
7 1997
8 1990
9 1995
10 1999

BTW, really 40 years ago the science of climate was in its infancy.  If you're hanging your hat on the fact that scientists believed something 40 years ago and have changed opinions as proof that science is worthless and we can disregard any opionions of the lab coat clergy today because someone was wrong in the past, before the widespread adoption of computers and modern methods of statistical analysis, then you're reveling in ignorance and being anti-science.  Every year in nearly every field of inquiry we learn that our old ideas must be disregarded.  In all other fields it's called progress, but in climate it is a weakness?  And proof we can't trust anything the lab coat clergy says on anything? 

Using the same theory, I'll be sure to mention to my doctor next time I see him that his field didn't believe in bacteria just a few years ago so I can't trust him on his recommendations today, either.  Heck, we didn't even know what "vitamins" were until just a relative few years ago.  I suppose that means any advice on nutrition is worthless...

[Dementia_Madness]

Have you actually looked at a graph of global temperatures.  Yes, we had a VERY unusual spike in 1998, but since then there have been warmer years and if you take out the outlier year of 1998, the trend is clear, further warming.  If this past summer is the coldest in 100 years, it's likely that that TOO is an outlier.

1998 was not an unusual spike...even if we look at your chart we see it is a clear peak....let us examine your chart a bit closer it begins around 1880 right at the end of what

new words to examine - little ice age - in the last few hundred years there have been about three drops in temperature associated with little ice ages, the last was about 1850... interestingly enough just before your chart which depicts the rise in temperatures. Sure we have a substantial rise in temperatures over a hundred year span.... and IF we look at your chart the rise above "NORMAL" occurs only about 1980.....and starts a decline in 1998 that's 19 years of rise above normal...followed by a ten year decline.....which if you look outside your window is still happening. So IF we assume that just because the temperatures now are above the normal temperatures that could be simply because the PEAK was above normal, and we are about 9 years away from the equalization.

It is a well known fact that if we go back to before these three little ice ages in the 1800s 1700s and 1600s it is true that temperatures are believed to match or even exceed current temperatures. 

Or maybe this time next year, you'll agree with the scientists that the earth is warming and your proof will that the coming summer is MUCH warmer than the record lows of 2009....

Perhaps, but i doubt it, the trend is not supporting your assumptions....in fact I think it is foolish to assume that if it is warmer or cooler it has that much bearing on the FACT or FICTION of man made global wamring....the fact is this the trend as we speak is cooling, it's observable and measurable....NO ONE is denying it, the explanation is it's a fluke....well that's not good enough.

Point is I KNOW the global warming deniers will not maintain that any recorded summer above those record lows is proof of warming.  They will correctly disregard those outlier cool summers and look at trends.  So why do you (and conservative deniers) dishonestly maintain that 1998 isn't in fact an outlier and repeat "Since 1998, the earth is cooling!"  It's not an honest interpretation of the data and so is ALWAYS made by those who aren't actually interested in discussing the actual evidence.  The evidence is much more complicated than picking out outliers and comparing all years to that.

Really you know this? well here is some things I KNOW it was the "Warmers" who have been PROVEN to be manipulation data, hiding things that do not agree with their desired "findings" and even the EPA has been revealed to have suppressed data that conflicts with their agendas.. yet you believe it is the opposite side that will do that, why should they, here's a better question IF global warming is so undeniably true, why does it take lies, false information, and hiding of data to keep up the myth?

So you can "know" whatever you think you "know" but the fact is it's the warmers that hide data and manipulate the numbers to support their theories...this has been revealed again and again...yet still YOU believe them.

BTW, really 40 years ago the science of climate was in its infancy.  If you're hanging your hat on the fact that scientists believed something 40 years ago and have changed opinions as proof that science is worthless and we can disregard any opionions of the lab coat clergy today because someone was wrong in the past, before the widespread adoption of computers and modern methods of statistical analysis, then you're reveling in ignorance and being anti-science.  Every year in nearly every field of inquiry we learn that our old ideas must be disregarded.  In all other fields it's called progress, but in climate it is a weakness?  And proof we can't trust anything the lab coat clergy says on anything?

I never said science was worthless... never have and never will, some "theories" however are. The fact is the data YOU are relying on to PROVE it's warmer today is based on much science which was used 40 years ago....what does all the modern science tell us? I have never disputed the value and necessity of good honest science....we will note that to date I have NEVER said science was bad...or wrong...science itself is not an entity it is a method..it's not even a belief, but MANY beliefs based on bad science is simply wrong. The problem with climate "science" is that is being driven by very unscientific things....and if you do not believe that then ask yourself why the NEED to hide data and LIE? that fact alone should bring the FACTS into question....

Well in the end we can only rely on time and tested evidence to bear the fruits of facts, One day we will look back and one of us will KNOW we were wrong, today the debate rages on, the fact that there is even a debate is to me a big red "X" on the whole belief that it's beyond a doubt a fact that man made global warming is a fact. I do not have to believe that everyone who disagrees with me is stupid to believe that, just understand that even the smartest among us can be wrong...and there is plenty of room to doubt based on the current evidence and holes left open in the science of climate studies.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/26/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5117890.shtml

http://tinyurl.com/m9lmry

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090328163643.htm

http://www.heartland.org/publications/environment%20climate/article/25791/Falling_Temperatures_Confound_Alarmists.html

http://www.mlive.com/opinion/flint/index.ssf/2009/01/its_time_to_pray_for_global_wa.html

[NCVol]

Explain this to me.  I fully admit that 1) I'm not a climate scientist, 2) my opinion is based on which side I believe 3) there is a chance the current consensus is all wrong, and 4) in 50 years we might in fact have caused an ice age, no effect, or the end of the climate as we know it.  I trust the consensus since I have no information that would cause me NOT to. 

So given that is my position, how is it that you are CERTAIN of your position?  It's not because you actually have a background in climate change and spend a couple thousand hours or more a year deep into the research, it's because you trust some scientists over others.  How do you KNOW that those on "your" side are correct.  It's some kind of faith that I don't understand..   

It's the certainty that is baffling...  I get how there is doubt, just not clear how people on the right turn doubt into a belief that is absolutely unshakable given the fact that the people whose careers are in the field believe we have a serious problem. 

BTW, I'm not sure how you read graphs, but using your logic it's been "cooling" many periods since the beginning of that time period but the clear overall trend IS warmer.  There are just lots of peaks and valleys, some that last for a decade or more, but the longer term is pretty evident, even if you include 1998 as other than an outlier. 

[Just Win]

some of the headlines from drudge

Winter Could Be Worst in 25 Years for USA...
CHILL MAP...
3 Deaths Due To Cold in Memphis...
PAPER: GAS SUPPLIES RUNNING OUT IN UK...
Vermont sets 'all-time record for one snowstorm'...
Iowa temps 'a solid 30 degrees below normal'...
Seoul buried in heaviest snowfall in 70 years...
Historic ice build-up shuts down NJ nuclear power plant...
Beijing -- coldest in 40 years...
Miami shivers from coldest weather in decade...

Gray,

Is it not delicious to see the left caught up in their own lie? It is nothing but a scam to raise energy taxes.

[Just Win]

Have you actually looked at a graph of global temperatures.  Yes, we had a VERY unusual spike in 1998, but since then there have been warmer years and if you take out the outlier year of 1998, the trend is clear, further warming.  If this past summer is the coldest in 100 years, it's likely that that TOO is an outlier.  

Or maybe this time next year, you'll agree with the scientists that the earth is warming and your proof will that the coming summer is MUCH warmer than the record lows of 2009....  

Point is I KNOW the global warming deniers will not maintain that any recorded summer above those record lows is proof of warming.  They will correctly disregard those outlier cool summers and look at trends.  So why do you (and conservative deniers) dishonestly maintain that 1998 isn't in fact an outlier and repeat "Since 1998, the earth is cooling!"  It's not an honest interpretation of the data and so is ALWAYS made by those who aren't actually interested in discussing the actual evidence.  The evidence is much more complicated than picking out outliers and comparing all years to that.  

Here's a graph of the longer term trend - and so far the trend looks pretty clear, to me....



Here are the hottest years since 1880.  Setting aside that 2005 is just about the same temperature, depending on the measurement, as 1998, what is the clear trend?  Does it look like a cooling trend to you?  

http://ucsusa.wsm.ga3.org/assets/documents/global_warming/recordtemp2005LoRes.pdf

1 2005
1 1998
3 2002
4 2003
5 2004
6 2001
7 1997
8 1990
9 1995
10 1999

BTW, really 40 years ago the science of climate was in its infancy.  If you're hanging your hat on the fact that scientists believed something 40 years ago and have changed opinions as proof that science is worthless and we can disregard any opionions of the lab coat clergy today because someone was wrong in the past, before the widespread adoption of computers and modern methods of statistical analysis, then you're reveling in ignorance and being anti-science.  Every year in nearly every field of inquiry we learn that our old ideas must be disregarded.  In all other fields it's called progress, but in climate it is a weakness?  And proof we can't trust anything the lab coat clergy says on anything?  

Using the same theory, I'll be sure to mention to my doctor next time I see him that his field didn't believe in bacteria just a few years ago so I can't trust him on his recommendations today, either.  Heck, we didn't even know what "vitamins" were until just a relative few years ago.  I suppose that means any advice on nutrition is worthless...

Is it not incredible the lengths the left will go to in order to believe a lie and hold on to the liberal dogma?

Western New Yorkers were lamenting last year’s lost summer when a national meteorologist warned that winter 2009-2010 could be the coldest and snowiest for the Northeast in more than five years.
But wait, weather observers.
Upon further review, an updated forecast from the same prognosticator, AccuWeather.com chief meteorologist Joe Bastardi in State College, Pa., is worse: It could be the worst winter in 25 years, he says.
With nearly the entire eastern half of the United States currently in the grip of a bitter cold wave not felt since 1985, Bastardi’s long-range forecast does nothing to warm anyone’s heart or body.
“It’ll be like the great winters of the ‘60s and ‘70s,” said Bastardi, who hinted last July that the current winter would be a cold one.
Those words must send a shiver through longtime Western New Yorkers who undoubtedly remember those as the decades when historic snowstorms blanketed the region.
Bastardi says that while the upcoming days will bring cold not seen since 1985 or 1982, he believes that this winter is shaping up much like that of 1977-1978. That winter, much of the U.S. east of the Rocky Mountains had a cold October, followed by a warm November and then a cold December — very similar to the pattern for the final three months of 2009.

[NCVol]

I'll look forward to your updates this summer during July and August when someplace in the U.S. they will be breaking records nearly every day.  Will you begin them with the official start of summer in June or wait till after the July 4th weekend?  I'd like to put your "hottest day on record" updates in my calendar!

 

[Just Win]

I'll look forward to your updates this summer during July and August when someplace in the U.S. they will be breaking records nearly every day.  Will you begin them with the official start of summer in June or wait till after the July 4th weekend?  I'd like to put your "hottest day on record" updates in my calendar!

 

CNN REPORTS Vermont Blasted With Record Snow Fall Link = http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-377821