No access to healthcare???

[Just Win]

Medicaid is a STATE PROGRAM - there are fifty different ones across the country, chronically underfunded since the benefits go to poor people.  The bill in front of Congress hopefully takes some folks off of the Medicaid rolls by making insurance reachable for some poor working people who otherwise have two options - Medicaid or uninsured.  

BTW, what do you call the inability of poor people to afford the average 7,000 per person cost of our care but rationing by price?  It's different than some other kinds of rationing since it only affects poor people who don't matter much in the world of conservatives, but it IS a very effective form of rationing used all over the globe in developing countries to deny health services to poor people.  

BTW, cite for that "1/3 of physicians retiring" please....  Which right wing propaganda outfit made up that little statistic?  

But maybe you can help me out with the thought process here.  We know that the bill in front of Congress spends an extra $trillion or so over 10 years - that's the cost part.  And there are some revenues to offset the cost, none of them that I know of come from providers.  So the health care system is getting an extra $100 billion per year.  But what you're telling me is that $100 billion per year in extra funding, from covering 33 million uninsureds, is going to make physicians retire - $100 billion per year in more money available to pay doctors and hospitals and drug companies is going to lead to the loss of one third of our physicians?  I'm missing something....  Help me work through the math.  Where do the physicians lose in that deal?  

I'd have thought that the extra funding to cover 33 million would HELP providers who otherwise have to give uncompensated care - the doctors and hospitals who write off all those fees to the uninsureds.  So where does the money go if not to the providers?  

You continue to be a fount of misinformation by showing your blatant ignorance. You are certainly a glittering jewell of colossal ignorance. Medicaid is a program with shared state and national government funding. Even the most elementary seventh grade Civics student knows this. Do you act ignorant as a stunt or does it come natural to you?


 
Rep. Bart Gordon (Democrat, Tennessee) is voting
YES for socialized medicine after his meeting with
Speaker Pelosi.

[Just Win]

Maybe you missed my earlier link. In the Obamanation, the illegals will suddenly become legal. When this happens they will be covered. The plan covers those Americans without insurance: i.e illegals who will be Americans. Therefore, it shows how meaningless the score from the CBO was.

Enforcing the current laws for illegals, therefore eliminating the illegal activity. And please spare us your diatribe about past administrations. THEY WERE WRONG. It is time for HOPE and CHANGE.

SAS,

It is no coincidence that the plan is to next to destroy the country by granting blanket amnesty for any illegal resident currently in the USA. Look for a flood of illegal immigration to ensue over the coming days if this Socialized medicine bill is passed.

[NCVol]

You continue to be a fount of misinformation by showing your blatant ignorance. You are certainly a glittering jewell of colossal ignorance. Medicaid is a program with shared state and national government funding. Even the most elementary seventh grade Civics student knows this. Do you act ignorant as a stunt or does it come natural to you?

You're so elegant this evening.  Nice job.

Point was the reimbursement rates paid to Walgreens (the low amount that caused them to quit accepting Medicaid patients) - the STATE decides the amount.  As you correctly point out, the feds send some fungible money to the states to help cover the expense, but the programs are designed and run by STATES.  Each Medicaid plan is (more, or less) different than the next, since each program is designed and run by each STATE. 

Is that clear enough for your elegant self tonight?   

[NCVol]

SAS,

It is no coincidence that the plan is to next to destroy the country by granting blanket amnesty for any illegal resident currently in the USA. Look for a flood of illegal immigration to ensue over the coming days if this Socialized medicine bill is passed.

Yep, I'm sure the illegals will be flooding in to take advantage of a plan that explicitly EXCLUDES them from coverage.  Nice analysis!   

[Just Win]

Yep, I'm sure the illegals will be flooding in to take advantage of a plan that explicitly EXCLUDES them from coverage.  Nice analysis!  

is that the same "plan" that said Social secuirty Medicaid, Medicare will never be insolvent of the "plan" that promised an efficiently run VA hospital system and Post Office? Get ready for a flood of immigration from the south as soon as the word "amnesty" and free socialized medicine enter the political speak.



 

[Flummoxed Lummox]

SAS,

It is no coincidence that the plan is to next to destroy the country by granting blanket amnesty for any illegal resident currently in the USA. Look for a flood of illegal immigration to ensue over the coming days if this Socialized medicine bill is passed.

1. Destroy the country???? Providing basic health care to millions who don't have it is "destroying the country"???

2. There is no blanket amnesty for illegal aliens in the health care bills. That's pure bull /Kiffin/ from Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, etc. without a scintilla of evidence to support the absurd allegation.

3. Like NC Vol said, you honestly think there will be a flood of illegal immigration to a country where (1) jobs are scarce and (2) health care reform does NOT include them? 

[Sasquatch]

1. If illegals are made legal, will they be covered under Obamacare?

Obama backs plan to legalize illegals

President Obama gave a thumbs up Thursday to the outline of a plan to legalize illegal immigrants and create a flow of low-skilled foreign workers for the future, saying the immigration bill being worked on by a Republican and a Democrat is "promising."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/18/obama-endorses-immigration-blueprint/

2. Is it just me or does anyone else notice how many Hispanic looking folks work in various service industries? Things must really suck in Mexico.

[Flummoxed Lummox]

The Republican plan for all aliens (legal or illegal):

1. Deny them all medical coverage.
2. Let them die.

[NCVol]

I don't think that's quite fair - sometimes the conservatives advocate deporting them so they'll be denied coverage in their own country and die there! 

Seriously, that's the question of course - if we deny illegals access to insurance, how do we treat them when they get sick or hurt and show up at the hospital?  Or do we actually deny them care and let them die on the streets?  What exactly is the "conservative" solution?  I've said my own is to fine any employer who hires illegals a punitive amount (say $10,000 per illegal) and use the funds to cover a pool for the illegals that can compensate hospitals/physicians for their unreimbursed expenses. 

Of course, that recognizes that the real scofflaws are the employers who enjoy low wage, disposable labor while shifting the social costs of their employment onto the rest of us.  The republics prefer the "free market" approach which results in private benefits, public costs and losses. 

[Sasquatch]

Either I am not being clear or you guys really are, like Emmanuel said, f**king retards.

If they are made LEGAL they ARE covered. Correct? If they are made legal, what will that do the job picture?

I cannot understand the problem with stopping ILLEGAL activity. If you did that, the ILLEGAL aliens wouldn't be here in the first place to need healthcare.

[NCVol]

Either I am not being clear or you guys really are, like Emmanuel said, f**king retards.

If they are made LEGAL they ARE covered. Correct? If they are made legal, what will that do the job picture?

I cannot understand the problem with stopping ILLEGAL activity. If you did that, the ILLEGAL aliens wouldn't be here in the first place to need healthcare.

I'm not sure if they're made "legal" they're covered.  Are resident aliens (as opposed to citizens) covered?  I don't know the answer.  And the point was, OK, they're illegal and not covered - now what do YOU propose if you don't want them legalized and want them ineligible for insurance coverage?  The ER as primary care doc, as is the case now?  It's A plan, but not a good one, as we know..

And I agree about the illegal activity - fine the dog crap out of the employers who are privatizing the profits and shoving the costs onto YOU and the flow of illegals will stop.  Why don't conservatives embrace this simple, common sense method of dealing with the magnet that brings illegals here?  Is it because your propaganda outlets are funded by moneyed interests who LOVE illegal labor, since they keep the entire manual labor wage scale low, and LOVE that you and me pay the social costs while the benefits accrue to those private companies.  

Private profits, social costs - the goal of all good "conservative" and republic economic policy.  
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Just to be clear.  Conservatives talk all the time about the "rule of law" and "lawbreakers" when referring to the illegals who are here, mostly working, but without the proper documentation.  They HATE illegal activity!!!!! 

So why is it that the ILLEGAL activity of hiring an undocumented worker isn't a big deal to you guys.  It NEVER comes up.  Bush literally halted all interior enforcement except for raids put on for show.  So the "conservatives" look the other way when employers engage in ILLEGAL hiring of undocumented workers, but will protest and yell and scream about the "illegal" workers filling those low wage jobs. 

Why the different treatment between the CRIMINAL employers and the criminal employees - the undocumented workers.  If not for the criminal employers, those criminal undocumented workers would go back home to Mexico or wherever....