Has President Obama Shut Down Gitmo As He Promised Yet?

[Flummoxed Lummox]

I am not betting, I am just pointing out that you have yet another opertunity to do so....I do not bet.

 

Of course not. You're like the rest of the far right fringe on this board who post patently asinine comments but aren't willing to back up their words with money. It's too bad Xander and The Missing Link don't post here anymore. Both are conservatives, but they were willing to back up their statements with money or promises. And both honored their bets.

What's the point in offering to bet you guys when none of you is willing to put your money (or time) where your mouth is? And if you don't want to gamble money, fine. We can say the loser can't post here for three months, or something like that.

[Jeremy Roenick]

Speaking of "X".  What ever happened to the X-man???  Hope he's o.k.

[Dementia_Madness]

Of course not. You're like the rest of the far right fringe on this board who post patently asinine comments but aren't willing to back up their words with money.

What does money have anything to do with truth, or even faith (perhaps this stems from the desire of libs to throw money at problems to solve them..or all the wealth envy you guys have(even if it’s your own wealth))? If I gave you (or you give me) a hundred dollars, it has nothing to do with whether or not Obama plans to, or will close down GITMO, Nothing, none, nada....Nor does the desire to place a wager on something have anything to do with the strength of one’s belief in it, in fact it may be argued that IF you really believe something, it doesn’t matter if others believe or if you defeat someone in a wager placed on the chance of that thing happening....it has no direct correlation one way or another, and is only relevant as far as you yourself are willing to give it credence, and only then so to you yourself. YOUR desire to wager has no bearing at all on me, my faith, my beliefs, or facts and truth....so no matter how hard you try and connect the two, it is a connection that is only valid in your own mind...I do not NEED to bet on anything, I have no desire to, and it has NOTHING to do with the strength of my belief, no more than the strength of my belief has anything to do with whether or not what I believe is a fact or not.

What's the point in offering to bet you guys when none of you is willing to put your money (or time) where your mouth is?

I do not know. In fact I have read somewhere that the definition of INSANITY is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting something different to be the result. However IF you want to know how my MONEY and my TIME can be offered in support of what I believe it is in several ways, let’s say Church, I tithe, and gift, and offer my time and services and spread the gospel, let’s say politics…I donate to political causes, and spend my time advancing knowledge and spreading the word about those ideas…so my money and my time are MUCH better served directly In support of things, than by placing a meaningless bet on some arbitrary concept…of something that has not happened, but could, or even could not…in the hopes that it would keep someone from calling me names…I think that is a better use of my time and money, than in trying to make you feel better about me (or me about you).

One does not need to post or wager anything to offer his or her opinion here.... It is a free country and I (or anyone else) do not need to validate anything with someone else...it is a very small and pitifully pathetic person who seeks validation through the desires actions and approval of others. Sad.

Either Obama will close Gitmo or not, and when he does or does not, one of you will be validated….and one will be wrong, however considering that the one of the important things about experience of humanity is about being right and being wrong, and learning through this process, there are worse things in life than finding out you were actually wrong about something, it is worse to be wrong and never find out so, and never learn the truth, or simply deny it, in fact I believe that we learn more from our mistakes than we do from our successes.

Being right builds arrogance, being wrong builds character.

Thank you once again for giving us intelligent and enlightening counterpoints to consider. Have a lovely day.

[Flummoxed Lummox]

Speaking of "X".  What ever happened to the X-man???  Hope he's o.k.

I think he still posts over at Smash South Sports. A lot of former posters here left a while back. He was one of them.

[Jeremy Roenick]

Thanks AV.  Glad to know he's doing o.k.  I know he had health problems...

[Jeremy Roenick]

It's funny in the timing of this, but I had to share it....

I was kicking around the FTP site of my Co's parent Co, a very large general contractor.  In their plans files of projects bidding earlier this year (around January) they bid on a huge housing and fitness center project for NAVFAC at Gitmo.

Now if Obama was planning to get the detainees out and shut the base down, then why is the Navy spending millions of dollars upgrading and building new housing units and a fitness center???  In general the federal government is "stupid" with our money, but the military isn't often guilty of this.  They tend to be planners and ramp up or ramp down depending on the strategy.  It doesn't sound as though to me Gitmo is closing down any time soon.

Just thought I'd share.  If you Google search "Gitmo new contracts" or "Gitmo NAVFAC contracts" you'll get a few hits from things dating back to 2000 up to current.  Everything from desalinization plants to housing and other buildings. 

[Dementia_Madness]

A little perspective JR.
When I was stationed in Germany in the latter part of the 80s and early 90s we were in a barracks out in the middle of sheep fields near France...after the fall of the wall our barracks were renovated, during this time I actually lived on an Air Force base, when we finally moved into our new barracks we learned that we were actually being closed down...and our barracks was being turned back over to Germany...so basically after hundreds of thousands of dollars of us dollars spent to German companies to upgrade, modernize and restore our barracks that were probably 30 years old then, the Germans were getting it gifted to them in new mint condition....so I would not consider that as evidence that they are not going to close the prison or base....also even if the prison is closed the base could remain in US hands and used for another purpose....I am not that informed on what exactly the plans are for that.

Cheers

[Jeremy Roenick]

Point taken DM.  And a good point at that.

Still, I doubt the Obama administration will pull the plug on Gitmo.  It's a unique facility with immense strategical importance.

[Dementia_Madness]

I do not think they will close it either, I believe it was a political talking point that served its purpose during the Bush years, for liberals that is, and now it will continue on as it was intended, serving it's REAL purpose, no need to hate it now....

[Just Win]

It is that time again when we go back and ask the board lefties if the president has fulfilled his 2008 campaign promise of closing down Gitmo. The president hurt Hillary badly in the 2008 Democrat primary by insisiting he would close down Gitimo and Hillary would not. The president has been in office for almost 20 months. Any word on the porgress in closing down Gitmo?