THE SEPARATION OF LAW AND MORALITY

[Flummoxed Lummox]

Homosexuals, despite what religious bigots like you and Gray say, are NOT "perverts." They behave exactly like nature made them.

some "not perverts" http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/  yup that is normal behavior.

I suppose FL has never been to a gay rights parade, or if he has he considers it "normal" behavior.

Did nature make serial killers? Did nature make liars? Did nature make animals....that kill and eat their own young? What differentiates human from animal...do we succumb to the bestial impulses of nature..or do we hold ourselves to  a higher standard?

Oh please. Of course there are examples of perverts among homosexuals, just as there are among heterosexuals. I was speaking in general terms, not isolated examples and you know this.

[Dementia_Madness]

More normal stuff

http://www.movieguide.org/archive/32/10237-the-kids-are-alright

and once again FL comparing bad behavior of one group to bad behavior of another does not do anything to defend your case, it's still bad behavior.

Do gay pride parades represent the majority of homosexuals or not?

One more point, those are the acts of people celebrating gay “pride” in other words those are the acts of something they are proud of…it’s not as if they are marching down the streets frumpishly dressed and acting like anything but deviants and perverts.

Your mission today is to find one gay pride parade or rally that is not filled with just such as these…

http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/

but be warned I will respond with multiple examples of “this” as well.

[LTC]

Once again    makes the claim that the actions of a few out of millions is indicative of the entire millions...just as in the thread about public hospitals...a couple lone examples of bad incidents means the entire system is bad..... Lane

[NCVol]

…but their relationships are not based on mainly LOVE they are based on SEX…if this was not true they would be able to have sex with people of the opposite sex…because in a loving relation the sex is not the driving force, it is a shared, experience..one with both biological and emotional significance, but it’s main purpose is procreation…and that can only happen between male and female…so IF your main driving force is sex, and it’s main purpose is not procreation, it is about satisfaction and gratification, that is why homosexuals have so many partners, because in truth it’s less about who they are with, but what they do with them and less about an emotional commitment.  

Gay people OFTEN have sex with people of the opposite sex.  My brother was married to a woman for several years, dated her for years in HS and college.  If you know male gay people (if you think gays don't regularly have sex with those of an opposite sex, it can't be more than a couple and you must not have had many actual discussions - might get too icky!), ask them how many gay folks they know ARE married to women, or WERE married to women, or had female sexual partners, girlfriends.  It's common, the rule, not the exception, because in this country, living a lie is the easy path.  Believe me, people try to not be gay, since what we see right here, being compared to child rapists, mental defectives, those who have sex with animals, being HATED for the simple fact of their sexual orientation, is what life brings, and they know it and fight it, often to the extent of marrying a woman, although an actual marriage is unusual.

But, it's true, like you said, you can have a sexless marriage, or a marriage with little sex, and you know, the wife won't really mind that her husband doesn't find her sexually attractive, but will "do the deed" enough times to have a kid or two, and that's all the woman needs, right.  If her husband is attracted to men, not her, I'm sure that never creates any problems in what should be a lifetime commitment.  Think about how you'd feel having homosexual sex, and then think about how the wife must feel with her husband having a similar reaction, and think about living that lie for 40, 50 years.  Shouldn't be too hard on the hubbie or the wife - just don't have sex!!!  Plus, the added bonus is the guys at the golf course don't shun you, the boss doesn't fire you, you aren't despised by people at church, etc.  

I did not make that comparison, that is the argument of NAMBLA so go talk to them if you have a problem with it, I am sure they will be offended by your attempt at forcing your morality and opinions on them. What is the difference between you/gays being offended by NAMBLA comparing themselves to homosexuals....and homosexuals comparing themselves to heterosexuals, is our offense any less justified than yours, perhaops we both have the same valid point?

No you're lying there, YOU made the connection and extended it to "other perverts."  Be a man and defend your own words.  No reference to anyone there - those are your own opinions

however sexually deviant behavior is not love, it’s about self gratification, it’s about selfishness..and not love, that sign also recommends that we shouldn’t have a problem between NAMBLA or other perverts.

I was offended at bigots like you comparing homosexuality to child rape.  And yes, your offense is less justified.   If you don't want to have homosexual sex, don't. That's also my personal choice, since I'm heterosexual! 

Children that are raped by adults, and pedophilia is a form of rape, don't get to make that choice.  There is a victim, the child.  We all can identify the victim, and the consequences can be lifelong and devastating.  

In a relationship between adult men, consenting, there is no victim.  Both parties have the same power, the same ability to enter into a relationship, or not, and to break it off, or not.  

It's the difference between rape and sex.  NAMBLA advocates rape.  

[Flummoxed Lummox]

If nature intended for men to be with men and women to be with women, then all of us would have both a penis and a vagina.

Oh please. You do understand that homosexuality also occurs in the animal kingdom? And that there are some species that, do in fact, have BOTH female and male reproductive organs? Nature regularly creates living organisms that don't follow a "traditional" male/female form of sexual expression.

Homosexual behavior is found amongst social birds and mammals, particularly the sea mammals and the primates. Animal sexual behavior takes many different forms, even within the same species and the motivations for and implications of their behaviors have yet to be fully understood. Bagemihl's research shows that homosexual behavior, not necessarily sex, has been observed in close to 1500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

In biology, a hermaphrodite is an animal or plant that has reproductive organs normally associated with both male and female sexes. Many taxonomic groups of animals (mostly invertebrates), do not have separate sexes. In these groups, hermaphroditism is a normal condition, enabling a form of sexual reproduction in which both partners can act as the "female" or "male." For example, the great majority of pulmonate snails, opisthobranch snails and slugs are hermaphrodites. Hermaphroditism is also found in some fish and to a lesser degree in other vertebrates. Most plants are also hermaphrodites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite

Snails have both a "penis" and a "vagina."

[NCVol]

Do gay pride parades represent the majority of homosexuals or not?

No, they don't represent the majority of homosexuals.  Just like swinger parties of heterosexuals don't represent the majority of straight people. Let's say the percentage gay is 3% - that's about 10 million in the U.S.  How many you figure show up to a gay pride parade every year?  A few thousand at most, and the VAST majority of those who do show up don't engage in public sex acts.  And there is a vast number of gay people who oppose the parades like the ones you linked to exactly because bigots seize on them to paint the entire homosexual community. 


I'm really sort of amazed at the ignorance out there about homosexuals as living, breathing, thinking, feeling PEOPLE.  If you're as tolerant as you claim, you might rethink your apparent willingness to attribute the worst of a tiny minority to an entire class of people.  Think about how you feel when the Christian community is tarred by the hateful acts and words of a tiny, vocal minority that claim to be Christians.  Do you think it's fair for people to pick out the worst so called Christians and claim they represent YOUR views?  Well, that's what you've done by posting those pictures and claimed they represent the entire gay community.