Across Texas, 60,000 babies of noncitizens get U.S. birthright

[Sasquatch]

If someone is voting, they better not be asked for any "papers" to prove anything. Especially if they are brown-skinned and wipe granny's .

[GRAY]

i said it months ago. dems have nothing, and the run to the middle ain't workin, so it's play the race card til november.

[NCVol]

anyway, so we're all good then? 60,000 babies dropped from illegal vaginas in one state and we're good?

Not sure what "good" means.  If you cared about immigration, it's a bit late to complain that there are 20 million or so in the U.S.  Decades of purposeful neglect and a complete refusal to enforce workplace restrictions on hiring provided a red carpet for the illegals to come here and work cheap.  If a slew of hispanic citizens born here who at this rate will NEVER vote for republicans is the inevitable result, maybe the GOP should have done something about the issue when they had the chance, as they did from 2001-2009. 

And I would love to have a reason to vote for someone other than a democrat, but what exactly does the GOP plan if they regain control?  More tax cuts?  Great, that worked out well during the Bush years.  More offshoring?  Great, China owns us now, so that's a great plan?  Lower taxes on corporate profits, already the lowest EVER in U.S. history?  That should work. 

Talk about having nothing.  All you guys have is demonizing RJs and hispanics and black dept of agriculture employees.  Oh yeah, maybe we can see some more clips of ACORN! 

[Sasquatch]

If you cared about immigration, it's a bit late to complain that there are 20 million or so in the U.S.  Decades of purposeful neglect and a complete refusal to enforce workplace restrictions on hiring provided a red carpet for the illegals to come here and work cheap. 

Serious question: Why wouldn't the democrat(ic)-loving unions be some of the most vocal in regards to wanting the current Federal immigration laws to be enforced?

[NCVol]

Serious question: Why wouldn't the democrat(ic)-loving unions be some of the most vocal in regards to wanting the current Federal immigration laws to be enforced?

I'm actually not sure why.  The union leaders say that the issue isn't the cheap labor here, the illegals, it's the offshoring of millions of production jobs that threatens their constituency, and so they are more focused on that.  I suspect that the reason is partly political, and partly because the jobs illegals typically do aren't generally union jobs.  And those that are union jobs WILL actually require the folks to be legal workers. 

But I do agree that the flood of illegals has put a downward damper on wages across the scale, which is why the GOP encouraged illegals to come here during the Bush years, and a labor group concerned about working Americans should be fighting against that. 

The odd thing is we don't know.  It's a bit strange that we can know just about anything we can imagine about the stock prices, profits, margins, etc. but nobody gives a shiate about labor issues anymore and doesn't discuss them.

[plumbervol]

Serious question: Why wouldn't the democrat(ic)-loving unions be some of the most vocal in regards to wanting the current Federal immigration laws to be enforced?

They were screaming the anti wetback rhetoric back in the 70's and 80's. They were fighting immigration measures under REAGAN and later under Bush1.  Back then it was a capital vs labor issue. In California in the 70's Corporations were bringing in Latino Labor to bust strikes up and down the Pacific Coast. They brought them in to bust strikes in the aeronautics and the auto and defense industry from California to Washington. The Japanese auto industry rode the illegal alien visa first on the west coast and the auto industry first rode the wave of contract employees producing garments and auto parts for auto production They did the same in Texas and later in Arizona Intel moved a plant there and took advantage of cheap Mexican Labor. They next pulled up roots and moved to Mexico..... Back then the Republican message was the American Worker was fat and lazy and needed his/her kicked... Now I hear from a bunch of Protestant Crackers that the Mexican is going to ruin the fabric of America as their latino Catholic presence spreads, and my message to you is go to hell and enjoy your taco.... For your information they scare the hell out of white American Catholics.......It is not race it is culture....
Did any of you ever realize that strong working class factory driven Black communities existed in the outer LA areas post Korea? The plants were shuttered as the Latino wave moved across that area and massive unemployment hit these neighborhoods now infested with blood and crips? I will be your ghetto guide if you will allow me...

[GRAY]

"the GOP encouraged illegals to come here during the Bush years"

cite please

[NCVol]

I'll find some, but on another thread I posted the deportation numbers under Bush versus Obama.  Obama is doing TWICE the rate of Bush.  And it's simply not arguable that one of Bush's big push's in his second term was to do what REAGAN did and legalize another round of illegals.  They fought for it, with the GOP base practically in revolt before it was over.  The fact is the Bush RECORD was one of total apathy to the flood of illegals coming here, and after they got here, his administration and the GOP base risked it all on legalizing them.  I call that an open invitation when you do nothing to stop the flow, then spend an immense amount of political capital trying to legalize them somehow. 

Do you think employers (the GOP base) wanted a crack down on cheap, disposable, exploitable, hard working labor?  They want them here, just not allowed to VOTE. 

Sorry about that, but those are the facts.  I'll try to find a link I had of interior enforcement those first few years.  The guys had something like FOUR prosecutions of employers per YEAR.  You're there in NYC - do you think you could find four employers who hire illegals before breakfast, or would it take you all the way to lunch?

Here's a couple links.  I can find more, but these prove the point well enough. 

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=25542  Bush stops immigration sweeps by local CA officials. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/18/AR2006061800613.html

The Bush administration, which is vowing to crack down on U.S. companies that hire illegal workers, virtually abandoned such employer sanctions before it began pushing to overhaul U.S. immigration laws last year, government statistics show.

Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three.

Do you ever get tired of being lied to by the conservative press?  What's easier no longer being a "conservative" is I don't often get deceived like you all on the right who didn't know about Bush's red carpet to illegals and their illegal crook employers. 

[plumbervol]

Gray
Do you have the guts to stand up just admit what you really are and what you really mean about illegal vaginas, flip them a quarter etc. I never judge anybody for their viewpoints, I am an old southern gentlemen. I do judge people that lack the guts to stand up and admit what the hell they are. The Civil War, Civil Rights Movement hell the election of Obama did not judge the values of a certain sect of the American population, I just wish the hell many of you would have the balls and character to stand up and admit what the hell you really are. That is my 2  worth

[Flummoxed Lummox]

"the GOP encouraged illegals to come here during the Bush years"

cite please

Oh please. Why don't YOU name one thing the Bush administration did to fetter the flow of illegals during his eight year tenure? You can't because Bush did NOTHING to try to stop illegal immigration.