First Muslim gay bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51

[Dementia_Madness]

  soooo wrong....and yet, in the name of tolerance...

http://www.dailygut.com/?i=4696

[Flummoxed Lummox]

I'm not sure which religion is more homophobic, Christianity or Islam. But both are extremely intolerant.

[Dementia_Madness]

Yeah but they do not hold a candle to the oh so intolerant tolerant crowd.... FWIW tolerance simply means you tolerate something you do not like....understanding and accepting truth is a far better attitude to aspire to, it is better that people be honest about who they are and what they believe than to forced into a false act of acceptance....in the name of tolerance.

Yep them thar Christians are so intolerant....http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/08/outed_anti-gay_pastor_allowed.html

Like I said elsewhere a repentant sinner is a redeemed sinner...as long as they have the shed blood of Christ to cleanse them, all sinners are the same....as soon as we acknowledge we are sinners, then we can understand we need God to make us right, and that process is an ongoing one, here on earth, the cross and Christ's blood justification, the walk of the Saint is the sanctification. A gay man is no worse than an adulterer...and no less deserving of God's grace than you or I. That is the opposite of intolerance, unless of course your point is to accept the vile acts of sin in the name of tolerance, if this is the case, why not accept the sin of rape...or murder, after all where do we draw the line on tolerance, only on the sins YOU choose to ignore?

[NCVol]

A gay man is no worse than an adulterer...and no less deserving of God's grace than you or I. That is the opposite of intolerance, unless of course your point is to accept the vile acts of sin in the name of tolerance, if this is the case, why not accept the sin of rape...or murder, after all where do we draw the line on tolerance, only on the sins YOU choose to ignore?

Why did you have to ruin a decent point by the ridiculous comparison of a victimless crime of being homosexual to the horrific acts of rape and murder which DO create victims - either a DEAD person or a victim traumatized for life by a violent act of rape. 

I seriously wonder about the kind of thinking that brings to mind first homosexuals, then thinks, hmmm, what kind of sin is comparable to the consenting acts of adults in a freely entered into, often loving relationship - hmmmm....   GOT IT!!! RAPE and MURDER are comparable!!! 

 

[Flummoxed Lummox]

FWIW tolerance simply means you tolerate something you do not like.

No it does not. You are so wrong on so many issues it is sad.

From Mirriam Webster:

Main Entry: tol·er·ance
Pronunciation: \?tä-l?-r?n(t)s, ?täl-r?n(t)s\
Function: noun
Date: 15th century
1 : capacity to endure pain or hardship : endurance, fortitude, stamina
2 a : sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own b : the act of allowing something : toleration
3 : the allowable deviation from a standard; especially : the range of variation permitted in maintaining a specified dimension in machining a piece

Accepting different beliefs or cultural practices, which are different than yours, is what tolerance is. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking.

The venom and hate toward homosexuals from far right Christians and Muslims is simply appalling. Shame on both.

[Dementia_Madness]

a victimless crime, is still a crime..... and there is actually NO such thing as a victimless crime, people’s lives are destroyed by homosexuality...and worse they go to HELL because of this sin, just like every other sin they commit...so there are victims... and ONLY grace repentance and the forgiveness of GOD can save them (and us for we are too wicked sinners just as they are).
 
Have mercy on me, O God,
according to your unfailing love;
according to your great compassion
blot out my transgressions.
Wash away all my iniquity
and cleanse me from my sin.

For I know my transgressions,
and my sin is always before me.
Against you, you only, have I sinned
and done what is evil in your sight,
so that you are proved right when you speak
and justified when you judge.
Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Surely you desire truth in the inner parts;
you teach me wisdom in the inmost place.

Cleanse me with hyssop, and I will be clean;
wash me, and I will be whiter than snow.
Let me hear joy and gladness;
let the bones you have crushed rejoice.
Hide your face from my sins
and blot out all my iniquity.

This is the attitude we should have towards our own sin….and the attitude we should teach others to have towards theirs. Perhaps YOU have no problem with the destruction that sin will wrought in lives… Is that because you LOVE them less than yourself? IF we love homosexuals we should tell them the truth and NOT lie to them as they rush head long into eternity.

“Sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own”? Hmmm I wonder why you are not able to turn this practice to Christians… So when we indulge what does that mean, and why have sympathy for something we like, in fact you just reaffirmed what I said…if you do not like something, you have sympathy towards people who have it…and you indulge them in their FOLLY….meaning you believe it is wrong but allow it continue. That reaffirms the last part the part YOU ignore “the act of allowing something : toleration” which is exactly what I said…thank you FL. I say that Christianity is the ultimate form of compassion…we tolerate the sinners, we do not force a yoke on people…we simply preach the truth, repent and be saved (saved from what or whom?) and if you do not that is YOUR prerogative…People only go to Hell because in the end they choose it for themselves. Grace is FREE yes the cost is high, but it is a cost that has already been paid, if we chose to put on that grace Christ paid for us with his blood. This is what LOVE is truly about.

Tolerance is the ability to accept something while disapproving of it. This seems to actually describe what we Christians actually do….to tolerate does not mean we accept outright and deny it is wrong, we can acknowledge something is wrong and still tolerate it..as we do.

Let the bones dance which thou hast crushed.

[GRAY]

methinks NC has hershey highway entered on his own GPS...

[LTC]

we tolerate the sinners, we do not force a yoke on people

 

That is funny! You and the rest of YOUR kind of "christians" are anything but the above!

[Dementia_Madness]

I beg to differ QC, we do not add to the word of God in order to justify ourselves and other sinners, we say the truth Christ alone justifies them....and he alone convicts them, and it is he that condemns sin. IF we deny this we are denying HIM....you deny Christ...and care only for what people think of YOU. Fools and the ignorant, wicked evil people will call the righteous unjust, to them the goodness of God is uglier than the wretchedness of man...and God will give them exactly what they desire..just as he does us all.

If YOU deny Christ to the fallen, if you not only deny the need for them to be saved, but the method by which God saves them, you give them comfort as they go to hell..and you are an enemy to God himself. Such is a vile wicked man and such has no love for the sinners, nor for God who has grace and mercy for all, them as well as YOU and I….and gives us all exactly what he desires for us, and we desire for ourselves. We tolerate the wicked, for we are in the same world as they are, and it is our charge to condemn it, but also to endure it....it is God who saves, it is also God who condemns, and in his judgment comes the truth that Christ acknowledged...what standard will he Judge? By a righteous standard, and NO sin will be left unaccounted for...either it will be paid for by the blood of the LAMB...or it will fall upon the head of the unrepentant sinner...either we fall upon the will of God or it falls upon us.

LTC If I came to your house put a gun against your head, or a knife to your throat and said "repent" you may have an argument, but as that is not happening it shows how empty and like vapor your words truly are. However I can say to you REPENT, without threat because this is what GOD demands...and the threat is his for the unrepentant, as was to Nineveh as spoken from Jonah…as to Herod and the Pharisees as spoken by John, and as to all the world as spoken by Christ..REPENT or be you damned, there is no compulsion at my hand….It is the hand of God that compels the sinners to repent and be saved.

IF it is wrong to tell people they are wrong, then YOU are wrong to tell us we are wrong. If it is okay to speak up and say what we believe is right and wrong, as you do, then your reason for arguing against us is not that we are wrong in condemnation….for you condemn us, it is who you consider worthy of condemnation, those who love their sin and cling to it, and deny God…or those who love God and cling to him, and revile their own sin as well as other's.

Preach the truth, repent and be saved!

[Shimmy]

Surrounding the mosque with pork stands, strip clubs, and gay clubs is an excellent idea.

[Dementia_Madness]

I would actually prefer surrounding it with the gospel of Christ.

[NCVol]

a victimless crime, is still a crime..... and there is actually NO such thing as a victimless crime, people’s lives are destroyed by homosexuality...and worse they go to HELL because of this sin, just like every other sin they commit...so there are victims... and ONLY grace repentance and the forgiveness of GOD can save them (and us for we are too wicked sinners just as they are).
 

Sure, jaywalking is a crime, so is playing poker on a Wed. night for a few bucks, speeding, rolling through a Stop sign.  It's intellectually lazy and dishonest to state that because those are "crimes/sins," and murder or serial rape are also "crimes/sins," that accepting one is accepting the other. 

You had it right with adultery or lust - those are on the same planet.  Why you had to go to murder and rape (why not child abuse, torture, kidnapping?) is just mind boggling.  The amount of really open hostility to gays inherent in that line of thinking is something you really should admit.  Because someone who understands homosexuality or homosexuals cannot begin to compare their sin or "crime" with those acts that create victims are traumatized for life or are DEAD. 

Yeah, being homosexual is tough, because bigots make it tough on them, hate them for the simple fact of their sexual orientation, that they cannot change.  The act of being homosexual, however, does not CREATE any victim.  Those who are homosexual ARE simply homosexual, who they are, and nothing will change that.  I think this must be the great gap in understanding, this misguided belief that they can change their orientation if they try hard enough or pray hard enough, that something as inherent as sexual orientation can simply change.  It's as if they don't KNOW what lies ahead for them, and "choose" to have a huge percentage of the population hold them in utter contempt.