First Muslim gay bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51

[NCVol]

Indeed Sas Adultery is just as vile and repugnant as bestiality, pedophilia, or necrophilia...

Are we talking public policy or theology, because society puts pedophiles in jail, we require them to register, keep them out of professions that brings them into contact with children?  I'm talking about public policy, not theology.  We won't agree on the moral distinction or not.  

What NcVol fails to understand or acknowledge as he tells us about HIS experiences with gay people, is that I have aid the exact same thing they are JUST like us….the difference is the word he doesn’t use when he describes these people who I said was loved by God as much as anyone, the distinction, the difference is that they are defined by their SIN, they embrace it, it is their distinction. So their vile act is more who they are than their normal aspects..it’s not that they are doctors lawyers and businessmen who happen to be gay IF this was the case there would be no need for THEM to separate themselves from what they consider the judgmental “normal” people….It’s not their humanity we are against or their personhood, it is the vile sin they themselves use to define themselves and want to make US “agree” it’s not wrong, when it most definitely is. I agree they are just like us, depraved sinners needing salvation..and to repent of their sins and as CHRIST always said, Go and SIN NO MORE (which means we lose our desire to sin though we still sin because we are still of the sinful flesh, but we do not embrace it, desire it, and excuse it)!

Well, are you defined by your heterosexuality, is that all you are, a person who is attracted to women, so we can minimize the rest of your person, how you interact with your family, your friends, society, whether you work a job, pay your taxes, treat others in your life with kindness and respect, and generally fulfill your obligations as a human being and a member of civilized society.  No, you're just a guy who likes women, that's it.  

And if homosexuals "separate" themselves from "normal" people it might be because "normal" people hold them in contempt and believe that they spent the previous weekend having public sex and reading the gay equivalent of Hustler, between their 16 sexual partners that week.  Normal folks avoid being in the company of others who despise who they are!  It's sort of human nature, don't you think?  

BTW, I'm curious what defines "greedy" in this society.  Ayn Rand glorifies personal selfishness, and it's the underlying basis for libertarian.  Me getting mine and you getting yours without regard to society is what will create a wonderful society, apparently.  It seems to me a CEO taking home $100 million this year, and appointing directors who are likely to give him a pay package of like amount next year is greedy.  If he continues in his job as CEO, is this a sin, or is this something we excuse?  How about a payday lender charging his poor customers a 300% annual interest rate.  Does this act of greed merit a constitutional amendment?  Or maybe greed isn't a sin anymore since the political world is run by greedy people who have defined the standard to exempt themselves?  

I'm just curious, because I'm wondering which other category of unrepentant sinners get the public policy attention from the right wing as gays.  

[LTC]

Hey, FL, I warily ventured over to the failed religion board a few minutes ago....check this out....you will get a great look into the demented one's political views...he REALLY wants a theocracy...I have said it before, and he has lied about it, but reading this thread pretty much confirms that if he had his choice...he would support the USA becoming a "christian" theocracy!    Of course HIS "christianity" is so hate-filled, the USA would probably look a lot like one of them muslim countries!

IF you are a Christian why would you not support a biblical Christian theocracy?

[Flummoxed Lummox]

Hey, FL, I warily ventured over to the failed religion board a few minutes ago....check this out....you will get a great look into the demented one's political views...he REALLY wants a theocracy...I have said it before, and he has lied about it, but reading this thread pretty much confirms that if he had his choice...he would support the USA becoming a "christian" theocracy!    Of course HIS "christianity" is so hate-filled, the USA would probably look a lot like one of them muslim countries!

Yes, you're right. The ONLY difference between D  M and the Taliban extremists is the religion they follow. But the mentality is the same. Both think they have personal insight into the mind of their deity and can speak for him. Also, both think it is their religious duty to make everyone else think and behave as they do in order to please their god. And they think their governments should follow their religious texts as a source for making and executing law. The "my truth is right and yours is wrong" mentality permeates each as well.

[KNOWLEDGE]

Please. Posting photos of "This is a gay thread" has NOTHING to do with condemning homosexuals. The photos were in no way meant to offend gays. "This is a gay thread" means the thread sucks ... in a humorous way, nothing more, nothing less.

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So, in your way of thinking, the term "gay" is an adjective meaning something sucks?   

Question to the intelligent ones on this board, would his use of that term make him judgemental, homophobic, or correct?

Amazing how he thinks he is so much more enlightened and tolerant than others, yet he makes statements like this.

[Dementia_Madness]

Yes, you're right. The ONLY difference between D  M and the Taliban extremists is the religion they follow. But the mentality is the same. Both think they have personal insight into the mind of their deity and can speak for him. Also, both think it is their religious duty to make everyone else think and behave as they do in order to please their god. And they think their governments should follow their religious texts as a source for making and executing law. The "my truth is right and yours is wrong" mentality permeates each as well.

Thank you thought police, it's good to know that believing something is wrong and expressing that belief it the equivalent of cutting off peoples head and forcing them to join your faith, if that is true then I guess the same goes for you as YOU believe we are wrong and tell us so....so the only difference between you and the taliban is the religion you follow. There is nothing wrong with telling people they are wrong, or believing people are wrong...it is obvious because you do it all the time.

Homosexuality is a vile repugnant sin...so is blasphemy and adultery.

[Dementia_Madness]

Hey, FL, I warily ventured over to the failed religion board a few minutes ago....check this out....you will get a great look into the demented one's political views...he REALLY wants a theocracy...I have said it before, and he has lied about it, but reading this thread pretty much confirms that if he had his choice...he would support the USA becoming a "Christian" theocracy!    Of course HIS "christianity" is so hate-filled, the USA would probably look a lot like one of them muslim countries!

and he fails to answer the question...or even address what is actually said...the funny thing is when Christ comes to rule, you will bow your head and hit your knees, it will either be a joyous moment or a terrifying one....which it is to you depend on what you love...God's laws or mans.

IF you are a Christian why would you not support a biblical Christian theocracy?

Most of us would agree that the basis for ANY legal system all stems from the oldest and best, the 10 commandments. Now we all know that these commandments were not only intended for the Jewish people as a guide to how they should live their lives under their covenant with the LORD, but also a moral blueprint, a mirror for us to look into and see exactly how close to God’s standards we actually are, and how far we fall short of what and who he wants us to be. Remember “Christians” Jesus said he did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it, to uphold it, and to exemplify it.
The 10 commandments can be summed up by what Christ said in Mathew 22 when asked which of the commandments was the greatest, and he replied

" 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40).

If we examine this statement in light of the 10 commandments we learn this the first part encompasses the first four commandments, I paraphrase; 1. You shall have no other God before me. 2. You shall not worship an idol. 3. You shall not Blaspheme. 4. Remember the Sabbath  and keep it Holy.  All these are summed up by “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.”

If we look at the six others, again I paraphrase; 5. Honor your parents. 6. You shall not Murder. 7. You shall not commit Adultery. 8. You shall not steal. 9. You shall not lie. And 10. You shall not covet. All these are embodied by “Love your neighbor as yourself.” If you love someone, rather than simply being selfish, you would not cause your parents undue shame or sorrow, you will not steal from others, you would not have intimate relations with anyone other than your spouse, or cause someone to have a relation other than with their spouse, you would not steal from others, lie to them, or desire the things they have and be envious and jealous, you would be happy for them and desire good things for them and all others, you would LOVE them.

Now this really comes down to the real issue why liberals in general are so “scared” of a Christian Theocracy...and why nearly 100% of atheists, and homosexuals are liberals and socialists. Let us examine just a few of these loving commandments from God’s and their aspects as a legal system and not simply a system of personal reflection, to help us see how we measure up to God’s standards and his will and desire for our lives and who we SHOULD strive to be. We will examine the last part as these are the laws that deal with how we live with our neighbors and the type of lives we should lead together, we will start at the crimes you might consider more offensive than the rest, and work our way to the crimes you might not consider that bad;
 
You shall not murder – This would directly END the practice of abortion, one of the biggest arguing points for liberals… Under God’s law, the dignity and value of the human being would be upheld and those who argue that abortion is all about freedom and choice would find themselves “enslaved” with the only choices being not to have sex, to give up their unwanted children for adoption, keeping their child raising them and making loving sacrifices


in order to give that child the life and dignity it deserves. This desire is rooted more in the “lifestyle” of individuals and the ability to place the value of their own lives and pleasures above those of others, it is a desire of selfishness which is at the root of all sin.
Acknowledging that all murder is 100% wrong would mean that anyone who lies in a capital case would themselves be subject to the same punishment, as if you lie and someone dies as a direct result of that lie YOU have committed murder, if the person did not die it would still be attempted murder.
Also if an officer of “the Law” was guilty of lying or falsifying evidence to convict someone of a capital crime that officer would too be guilty of attempted murder and thus subject to the same punishment…for the act of murder he has committed.
God’s laws hold us each equally accountable for our actions, it ensures too that justice itself is as culpable to uphold its own laws as the people subject to justice itself.
God wants us to respect and protect life that he has created, especially innocent life, and if we do not justly punish the wicked we are punishing the innocent who becomes future victims of those repeat offenders who live to murder another day. This is one statistic that cannot be refuted no murder who was ever put to death ever became a repeat offender…capital punishment is 100% effective in stopping capital recidivism.

You shall not commit adultery – despite the acceptance today in American culture that adultery is okay, the fact is that it is not, it’s wrong, and it’s destructive and it is probably the most harmful and destructive thing happening in America today. If you turn on television every show you watch from family channels to premium channels will in fact have one instance of adultery, all of them….in a mere 40 years we have gone from having Married couples sleeping in different beds on television to strangers hooking up, and unmarried people living together and sex being the biggest motivating force in American culture today. So many people consider their sexual escapades as a liberating experience, a rite of passage, or the reason they live. They do not care about their “partners” for the most part it’s all based on self gratification and instant satisfaction. This one sin is probably the most committed sin today, it’s brazenly talked about…it’s openly practiced, and for the most part, despite the fact that it is the ruination of most people’s lives today, many cling to the false belief that it is not wrong, it’s no one else’s business, and it’s once again a matter of personal preference.
This crime, is the one that underscores every other argument liberals have for the most part, it’s the desire to hold onto their own loved sins, the selfish gratification, and self justification that leads them to desire and support the even worse crime of MURDER - abortion is condoned because it allows people to commit adultery without being “punished with a child”.  This law directly confronts homosexuality, rape, incest, and loose living lifestyles that is so strong in our culture today.

You shall not steal – This would directly remove the government’s ability to redistribute wealth, as it acknowledges the right to own property, to pay wages for labor, to gain wealth by honest efforts and sacrificial investments and to protect your property and investments. Stealing is another instance of pure selfishness, someone desires what others have and takes it without earning it asking for it or being given it….because they see their desire to take it as superseding someone else’s right to own it.
It is the cornerstone of capitalism and a death strike to the head of the socialist serpent. Liberals love to take what they do not own and have not earned and give it to others, most of the time taking a finder’s fee for their “hard work” and efforts.
At the same time this does nothing to end the Christian practice of charity and brotherhood, of giving freely to the poor and sick and afflicted, and being the stewards and givers God wants us to be.

You shall not lie. This would mean that 99.9% of our politicians, teachers, car salesmen, and media personnel would be out of a job. It would no longer be possible to argue that some lies are good, while others are bad, or base an argument on the concept that an answer depends on what the definition of “is” is. If someone lied in civil criminal, or capital case, they would be in equivalent of committing those crimes themselves and subject to the same punishments for that act. Lying is all about protecting one’s self, even if we lie to ourselves and say we are lying to protect others, what we fear is not hurting them, but rather facing the results of what that hurt means for others as they relate to us., or how we feel ourselves about what others feel.

You shall not Covet – This is a direct argument against the “wealth envy” that is so pervasive in the liberal mindset. It would end the reason people steal, cheat, and many times hate others…because they are jealous of what others have and desire it for themselves (selfishness). This could not be a theocratic law, but it is a concept that can be used to show motive in any criminal case…in fact it is the root reason why MOST crimes are indeed committed…because someone else has something you desire.

Honor you Mother and Father – This is something that also encompasses all other commandments, if you fail to do the others, you have in fact dishonored your parents, through which God gave you life, and thus you dishonor God as well, even if you have ungodly parents. The fact is this commandment is another one a theocracy could not enforce, bur parents should, especially Christian parents, your children should be brought up in ways that not only honor you, but also God, they should be respecters of others, kind, generous, and all the things Christ wants them to be.

These are not BAD laws…there is NOTHING bad or wrong with these commandments, aside from the fact that we are bad and we are wrong, and we cannot keep them. These are all the things EVERY Christian should aspire to, to love, to cherish and hold onto. Why? Because these are the laws that Christ himself embodies, and IF you hate them you cannot LOVE CHRIST, nor can you LOVE your neighbors as you do yourself. There is no argument a TRUE Christian can make against the 10 commandments…in fact it its those that which convict us of our sin, our guilt, and teach us we need a savior to begin with, otherwise, if we condemn them, we are judging God, convicting him, and trying to claim that our view of justice, of what is right or wrong is somehow better, more divine, and more just than the ultimate just divine and holy one of all, we become Satan, the accuser..we become the anti-Christ, and we become an Anathema to  the Holiness and Glory of God.

Now if we take this aspect of Christ’s self, the FACT that he is the embodiment of the 10 commandments, of the very WORD of God itself, we can then understand the other aspects of Christ’s person. His love, his kindness, his generosity, his grace, his mercy, his understanding, and all the other wonderful things he is. We can understand that a TRUE biblical Christian Theocracy is not a bad thing in and of itself, as long as it is based on Christ’s will and not Man’s will. As long as it is placed upon HIS laws and not our laws, and as long as it is based upon his love mercy and kindness and not ours. One day this will in fact be what we all will live under…not just a theocracy but a monarchy with Christ, God, as our TRUE LORD, in more than simply in spirit. So if the question is do I desire a true biblical Christian theocracy, then I would most emphatically scream YES!! As long as that governance is the governance of Christ, and HIM alone. Do I want one today? Sure, IF Christ came to rule today. I do not however want some humanistic warped perverted system (huh much like what we have right now) based on mans ungodly loves and desires rather than God’s Holy and righteous ones.

Yep that's some very hate filled stuff there, in the end we must ask our fellow “Christians” do you LOVE the God of the BIBLE and do you love his laws? I do, especially and most importantly the ones that condemn ME, because this teaches me that I am unworthy and NEED him, and just how precious salvation is to me….because it is not of myself, but HIM. God’s law is all about Love, but you have exchanged it for hate, you call evil good and good evil..and just as God says he has given you up to your wickedness, he allows you to be what you want to be, trading his goodness, for the wickedness of men….amazing and so terribly heartbreakingly sad.

IF you are a Christian why would you not support a biblical Christian theocracy? Why not? Either the God of the BIBLE is your Lord or he is not. Heck we know what the answer is that’s why the first part says IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN..if you are not we know you do not want Christ to rule, because he is not your first love, YOUR SIN IS, and that is the slave-master you have chosen to rule over you…I have chosen mine as well.

And if you keep crying and complaining about this issue being one of faith or sectarian, remember who first brought religion into this topic, and who keeps attacking religion and defending the unrepentant sinners…

[roustabout]

Yes, you're right. The ONLY difference between D   M and the Taliban extremists is the religion they follow.

Really. The only difference. Wow. Thanks for keeping it real dude.

In all fairness though, Mondo went into a religious rant and QC quoted another thread of his. Both are culpable. I wonder if any of you on either side can keep it on topic.

[LTC]

 

[Dementia_Madness]

Really. The only difference. Wow. Thanks for keeping it real dude.

In all fairness though, Mondo went into a religious rant and QC quoted another thread of his. Both are culpable. I wonder if any of you on either side can keep it on topic.

I can, but then again remember who first mentioned faith.... Rousty YOU know that no matter what the libs would not let this stay on topic....after all when we talk of tolerance...building a strip club or gay bar that caters mainly  to Muslims next a mosque  is pretty insightful stuff, almost as bad as building a mosque on a site where Islamic terrorists killed thousands of innocent people, but IF we are to be tolerant, then a little naked dancing or homo love for the jihadist can't be a bad thing can it? The libs don’t know whether to condemn this act or praise it…..so the answer let us compare Christians to Muslims (yes we may rant but there is no compulsions…I carry no sword) there is little comparison, unless we compare the godless liberals with their made up self justifying deity and the atheist liberals with their self justifying made up deity.

[LTC]

Think homosexuality is "wrong"?

Religion is a wonderful thing............in moderation!

[GRAY]

THIS IS A VERY ENTERTAINING THREAD.

i stand by my views on gays. they are outside what is perpetuated by the left, the gay establishment/lobby, etc. i don't give a rat's .

also, i think it has been proven, that you can't on one hand proclaim gay to be normal, accepted, genetic, etc., and on the other hand call someone "gay" in an attempt to flame. makes no sense. those of you attempting this juvenile tactic know this.

it's cool with me. make all the insinuations you want. i have a view that is held by most people, whether that want to admit it publicly or not. being gay is not accepted as normal, genetic, or anything else that the left would have us believe. everywhere it has been voted on, 31 states, it is shot down. overwhelmingly.

for example, and this thread has become a gay thread...not just about islam or prop 8, so this article is on topic..

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38487

a couple of highlights...

Federal Judge Vaughn Walker is truly a visionary.

Peering at the 14th Amendment, Walker found something there the authors of the amendment never knew they put there, and even the Warren Court never found there: The states of the Union must recognize same-sex marriages as equal to traditional marriage.

If the Walker decision is upheld by the Ninth Circuit and Supreme Court, homosexual marriage will be imposed on a nation where, in 31 out of 31 state referenda, the people have rejected it as an absurdity.

Through such anti-democratic means, the left has imposed a social and moral revolution on America with only the feeblest of protests from the people or their elected leaders.

Thus, the Supreme Court purged Christianity from the public schools and public square of a nation whose presidents from Wilson to Truman to Carter declared her to be a Christian country.

Thus, the Supreme Court peered into the ninth amendment and found a constitutional right to engage in homosexual acts and procure abortions, both of which had been crimes.

Walker says the only motivations behind Proposition 8 had been "biases" and "moral disapproval," and "moral disapproval ... has never been a rational basis for legislation."

But what else is the basis for laws against polygamy and incest? What else was the basis for the Mann Act, which prevented a man from taking his girlfriend across the state line to a motel?

What is the basis for prohibiting prostitution, a free exchange of money for sexual favors, if not "moral disapproval"?

For, in recent decades, male homosexuality has been linked to enteric diseases, hepatitis, AIDS and early death.