IF TIMOTHY MCVEIGH HAD BEEN A CHRISTIAN

[GRAY]

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/if_timothy_mcveigh_had_been_a.html

Let us suppose they were right.  Let us suppose that McVeigh was a member of some particularly wrathful Christian sect, one with worldwide tentacles.  Let us say that church members believed in polygamy, genital mutilation, the suppression of women's rights, capital punishment for homosexuals, and the violent imposition of their own law upon the land.

Let us say, too, that the less overtly hostile members of that sect chose to build a 13-story church and cultural center overshadowing the Oklahoma City National Memorial & Museum at the site where the Murrah Building once stood.  Giving them the benefit of the doubt, let us say that they too pretended that their project was something other than an end-zone dance on the memories of the dead.

Given these circumstances, would any liberal anywhere in America, let alone President Obama, make self-righteous noises about this sect's right to religious freedom?  Would any liberal anywhere impute bigotry to those who challenged the Church of McVeigh's towering thumb in America's eye?

No, of course not.   Our progressive friends would be leading the assault against the center.  Hell's bells, they are inevitably the one leading the assault when the local Presbyterian Church wants to expand its parking lot.

[Maxxgas]

Moronic right wing cultist klansman nazi bama fan wingnut crackpot nut job whack bag Bush lover.......Damn good point. That is a perfect analogy. Since I got the name calling out of the way, I can't wait to hear Klink and the Lum respond.

[LTC]

I know several Bama fans who are just like you.....Moronic right wing  cultist klansman nazi wingnut crackpot nut job whack bag Bush lover

[Flummoxed Lummox]

Timothy McVeigh was a "Christian" in the same sense that the 9-11 terrorists were "Muslim." Both had distorted views on what their religion was. In McVeigh's case he was raised as a Catholic.

This is from an interview with Time magazine:

Time: Are you religious?

 McVeigh: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic (received the sacrament of confirmation). Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs.

 Time: Do you believe in God?

 McVeigh: I do believe in a God, yes. But that's as far as I want to discuss. If I get too detailed on some things that are personal like that, it gives people an easier way [to] alienate themselves from me and that's all they are looking for now.

All this text discloses is that McVeigh distanced himself from Catholicism, not Christianity. It also reveals that he did not want to discuss his faith further because he knew most people would find it repulsive. What was repulsive about his faith? Was he an atheist? No. Was he a secular humanist? No. What do we know about his beliefs at the time he was bombing the federal building in Oklahoma City?

There is no doubt that Timothy McVeigh was deeply influenced by the Christian Identity movement. Christian Identity is a profoundly racist and theocratic form of faith that developed in the late 1970s and spread like wildfire through rural communities throughout the U.S. in the 1980s.

The chief guidebook for Christian Identity eschatology is "The Turner Diaries" written by William Pierce under the pseudonym Andrew MacDonald. The book is a fictional account of the "day of judgment" for which Identity adherents are preparing. Here's a summary of the book by Joel Dyer, author of "Harvest of Rage: Why Oklahoma City is Only the Beginning" (1997) – by far the best explanation in print for what led to the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City:

In his book "The Turner Diaries," Pierce describes a race war that ends with the government being overthrown. Pierce's book is more than fiction. The most radical elements of the movement view it as a vision or blueprint for action. In the book, the Aryan forces used armored car robberies to finance their revolution. In real life, the radical white supremacist group called "the Order" used Pierce's book as a guide to their armored car robberies in the Northwest. In the book, the revolutionaries blow up a federal building as part of their antigovernment war. In real life, the bombing of Oklahoma City's Alfred P. Murrah Building was almost a carbon copy of the incident in Pierce's book. As I mentioned earlier, Timothy McVeigh had photocopies of a portion of "The Turner Diaries" with him when he was arrested. McVeigh also sold copies of the book at gun shows around the country.

Timothy McVeigh was a Christian, but he no more represented Christianity than the 9-11 terrorists represented Islam, a concept you troglodytes can't seem to grasp.

http://ethicsdaily.com/news.php?viewStory=15532

[Jeremy Roenick]

AV, I wonder if Tim McVeigh cried "God is good" when the Okl Muni Building was blown up???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takbir

The Takb?r or Tekbir (????????) is the Arabic name for the phrase All?hu Akbar (???? ????). Usually translated "God is [the] Greatest," or "God is Great", it is a common Islamic Arabic expression, used as both an informal expression of faith and as a formal declaration.

The Takbir has also become infamous in Western media for its use by Islamic extremists.

After 9/11, the FBI released a handwritten hijackers' letter found in three separate copies—at Dulles, at the Pennsylvania crash site, and in Mohamed Atta's suitcase. It included a checklist of final reminders for the 9/11 hijackers. An excerpt reads: "When the confrontation begins, strike like champions who do not want to go back to this world. Shout, 'Allahu Akbar,' because this strikes fear in the hearts of the non-believers." Also, in the cockpit voice recorders found at the crash site of Flight 93, the hijackers are heard to be reciting the Takbir as the plane plummeted toward the ground.[3][4][5][6]

[GRAY]

mcveigh lost his upbringing and was athiest.

the 9/11 hijackers were doing just as their "holy book" instructed them

[Flummoxed Lummox]

mcveigh lost his upbringing and was athiest.

the 9/11 hijackers were doing just as their "holy book" instructed them

I'm more and more convinced you post outlandish statements just to get a reaction because no one can be this f'ing stupid.

The Time magazine interview I linked above was made while McVeigh was on death row. He clearly references his Catholic upbringing and states categorically that he believes in God. He was not an atheist, no matter what you post.

Once again (how many times does this have to be pointed out?) you are entitled to your opinion, but not to your own facts.

If the 9-11 hijackers were doing what "their holy book instructed them," then why aren't 1.6 BILLION other Muslims not doing the same?

[GRAY]

all i am doing is telling you what the holy book itself, the koran, states. if the 1.6 billion don't get it, maybe they can't read.

it is also obvious that any religion that mcveigh co-opted after the bombing is not admissible as to his religion when he blew up the building. he said himself, "science is my religion."

this is what you are comparing to yelling "allu ahkbar" as muslims drive airplanes into the twin towers. great.

[NCVol]

Interesting theory.  The 1.59999999 billion Muslims who don't kill innocents in terrorists acts don't get their own religion.  It's the handful of radicals, the .00000000001 billion, refudiated by the 1.59999999 billion, kicked out of several countries, abandoned by their families, ending up in the barren mountains of lawless, stateless Afghanistan - this tiny band of fringe radicals is the only "true" adherents to Islam, faithful to the word of the Koran.

[GRAY]

well, i guess they are the only ones that read the koran from cover to cover.

[GRAY]

was the lockerbee bomber ostracized? nope. he is a free man in GB, and Obama gave the ok.

[Jeremy Roenick]

Yeah the 1.599999 billion don't have a dog in the fight NC.  Maybe you forgot some "other images" from 9/11.  These weren't on ABC, CBS, NBC or FOX...

Palestinians Celebrating 9/11 Attack

Muslims cheering "God is Great" and showing "V" for victory signs.  Yeah, these are a microcosm of the Muslim world NC.  Do I need to use the sarcasm emodicon here?