James Dobson's Patented Cure for the Gay

[GRAY]

so if one's sexuality is to sleep with young boys, or farm animals, then one should not deny it, and one should be embraced?

[NCVol]

so if one's sexuality is to sleep with young boys, or farm animals, then one should not deny it, and one should be embraced?

Don't have any idea what farm animals have to do with anything.  Bestiality doesn't come to my mind when I think about sex, but whatever floats your boat....

BTW, why not ask about anal sex between a man and woman.  What kind of woman wants it "there" if you know what I mean...  Same with heterosexual oral sex.  Seriously, must be a sick woman or man who'd put her mouth on "that" GROSS!  We used to have laws against that kind of thing.  Time to bring them back if you asked me! 

But the "young boys" thing is a pathetic talking point.  I'd say it generally comes out of the mouths of bigots, but that offends you, so I'll just say it's a common talking point of dumb people who are intolerant of homosexuals and treat them with disdain. 

An adult having sex with a child, of any gender, is child molestation or rape that has the great potential to ruin the child for life.  We can easily identify the victim in that situation, the child.  The child is always the victim, whether it be a young girl getting raped by her father in law or uncle, or a young boy getting raped by the neighborhood priest.  In all cases, we have laws against child rape, we prosecute the offenders and hopefully sentence them to a long, miserable, hellish time in jail.  There is no circumstance in which a child can rationally consent to sex with an adult.  It's always rape, and the law treats it as such, regardless of the gender of the victim. 

That situation, child rape, is no more relevant in a discussion of homosexual relationships between consenting adults, free to enter, or not, into a relationship and free to leave, or not, that relationship at any time for any reason than it is in a discussion of heterosexual relationships.  Sex is not equivalent to rape (of any kind) when the adult parties mutually consent to the act.  The key distinction is with consenting adults, like exists with healthy adult homosexual and heterosexual relationships, there is no victim.  Both parties to it enter into it capable of deciding who to have sex with and under no compulsion to do so other than mutual attraction and desire.

Seriously, that's the most pathetic talking point of them all because it's transparently stupid to compare child rape to consensual adult relationships.   

[GRAY]

well i would equate it to consensual sex between mentally ill adults. so if you are cool with that it explains a lot about your position.

[LTC]

BTW, why not ask about anal sex between a man and woman.  What kind of woman wants it "there" if you know what I mean...  Same with heterosexual oral sex.  Seriously, must be a sick woman or man who'd put her mouth on "that" GROSS!  We used to have laws against that kind of thing.  Time to bring them back if you asked me!  

NCVol, you are addressing gray....a missionary position only knda guy!

[NCVol]

well i would equate it to consensual sex between mentally ill adults. so if you are cool with that it explains a lot about your position.

I'd love to be able to make fun of that, but I can't even figure out your point....   I don't think it addresses the child rape talking point, but I'm not sure 

But it comes to mind that by your definition, mentally ill means having some belief or behavioral trait that I don't like.  And since I get to make up who I can claim is mentally ill, just like you do, based on nothing, then I've concluded that pretty much the entire right wing is batshiate crazy, mentally deranged, literally delusional in their belief system, able to repeatedly ignore facts and evidence and disregard those facts at will whenever they conflict with previously held beliefs.

In fact, research shows that if you show a right winger a fact, an undeniable fact, that goes against a weakly held position, it makes conservatives MORE certain that their erroneous but weakly held position is CORRECT (this is actually true - a couple of studies have proved the same thing)!  It's like learning something, but what is learned is exactly the opposite of what is being taught. Like burning your hand on a hot stove teaches the lesson to keep putting your hand on a glowing hot stove!  Where facts matter, but the belief that comes from examining the facts is 180 degrees from what the facts show.  This kind of delusion is practically mentally ill defined!

But even with that, you know, I am OK with you guys having sex.  Might keep the right wingers occupied for a while, reduce their stress levels, which is a good thing for society I think. 

[NCVol]

NCVol, you are addressing gray....a missionary position only knda guy!

Probably in the dark with clothes on.... 

[GRAY]

very idiotic post.

[Flummoxed Lummox]

well i would equate it to consensual sex between mentally ill adults. so if you are cool with that it explains a lot about your position.

The only mentally ill person here is YOU. In all seriousness, you are one disturbed human being.

And NC Vol is right. You're a bigot ... of the highest order.

[NCVol]

very idiotic post.

Well, it's hard to respond to your idiocy without getting into the "dumb" with you.  If you'd provide any substance to debate, I can do that. 

well i would equate it to consensual sex between mentally ill adults. so if you are cool with that it explains a lot about your position.

Sorry, but I really couldn't figure out your point there.  Do you think "mentally ill" adults should not have sex? And if so, should we prohibit it by law, or just discourage it, or simply publicly condemn such acts and shame the participants.  Would visiting a psychiatrist or psychologist be a disqualifying act - while you're seeing a shrink, abstinence only!!  Should we have competence tests administered by local governments and those that pass can get a "sex" license?  What kind of mental illness would disqualify an adult from providing informed consent to screw another person? 

And since homosexuals are by your definition mentally ill, don't you think we should prohibit them from holding certain jobs, like physician, bus driver, any position that involves public safety.  If a person is too crazy to have informed, consensual sex, my goodness, I sure don't want them reading my x-rays or, Allah forbid, operating on me, or even drafting my legal documents.  Maybe it's best these whackadoodle fags just limit themselves to cutting hair and decorating houses, you know the traditional things homos do for a living....