Is Romney Going To Blow The GOP Nomination?

[NCVol]

That was, and remains, an outrage, Charleston.

It is shocking, the NLRB not playing patsy to large employers and instead enforcing labor laws on the books. 

But, goodness, we only lost about 50,000 U.S. plants in the last decade, and 5 million or so jobs.  Seems like the free trade, bust the union (membership at 60 year lows and falling) thing is working out great.... More of that and any day now we'll see the manufacturing sector boom again.. 

[Before anyone says anything, I recognize a lot of the damage was done in the Clinton years, with NAFTA and WTO, and Obama hasn't changed course....  this is a consensus view that all serious people believe, it's just disastrous based on the evidence.]   

[CD]

It is shocking, the NLRB not playing patsy to large employers and instead enforcing labor laws on the books.

There are laws that prevent a private company or public corporation from opening a facility in whatever state it damn well pleases? Is that an actual law passed by Congress?

[NCVol]

The allegation is Boeing was using the SC plant as a sledgehammer in negotiations with the striking union workers in Washington, or retaliation for past strikes, which is if true illegal.  And it was based on comments by Boeing at the time that indicated as much.  The idea that the NLRB would take those complaints seriously and have hearings about them is THEIR JOB, or should be. 

The only thing shocking is a federal NLRB not acting as a stooge for corporations in the conflicts that come before it.  Actually having LABOR people on the National LABOR relations Board.  Shocking!!! 

[CD]

I have seen debates on this issue in which both sides, including a Boeing spokesman, made their case. My conclusion was and is that it was wrong. But like so much of modern life, it became a political issue. The political and economic “sledgehammer” belonged to the left-leaning NLRB, in my opinion. I would not blame Boeing if it just shut down the Seattle plant completely and moved its operations overseas. Such has been the result of similar union political thuggery in the past in similar situations.

[Charleston]

Both facilities of Boeing in Everett, Washington and Charleston, SC produce and will produce the 787 Dreamliner.  The 3,000 Boeing jobs in Charleston, SC is not the only surge the local economy will experience.  Each plane manufactured contains 350,000 pounds of carbon.  Start up companies that will produce this carbon are scrambling to be certified as a supplier to Boeing.  This plant will be a tremdous economic boost to the Southeast if Obama doesn't stop it.        

[NCVol]

I have seen debates on this issue in which both sides, including a Boeing spokesman, made their case. My conclusion was and is that it was wrong. But like so much of modern life, it became a political issue. The political and economic “sledgehammer” belonged to the left-leaning NLRB, in my opinion. I would not blame Boeing if it just shut down the Seattle plant completely and moved its operations overseas. Such has been the result of similar union political thuggery in the past in similar situations.

You realize that we had a third of the workforce unionized in the 1940s and were the manufacturing powerhouse of the planet for decades until we began the "free trade" experiment, after 200 years of tariffs and promoting domestic manufacturing.  And during those decades, we had wage gains at the bottom and at the top, the rich got richer, every generation of workers did better than their parents, wages rose with productivity, and we had the largest middle class the world has ever seen, with unions dominating the manufacturing workforce.

There's nothing inherently evil about workers banding together in a union as a bargaining unit.  It actually worked.  Germany has a very strong union presence, their laws require a number of board seats on every corporation to be held by labor representatives, and they're the manufacturing powerhouse of Europe, and they have profitable corporations who make some of the worlds finest products.  They also have well paid workers, with good benefits, weeks of vacation... 

It's just amazing that we dismiss our history as if it didn't happen.  Now if a group actually works for the benefit of workers, it's "thuggery" - but moving a plant to a third world country and destroying entire towns to make a few pennies more per share is just free market greatness.   

You are right about one thing - they might move overseas, where their workers might live in vast company owned towns, sleep in dorms a dozen to a room and are effectively a modern version of serfdom, modern feudalism.  Sure is a shame we can't "compete" with that! 

[CD]

“Now if a group actually works for the benefit of workers, it's "thuggery"”. Who said that was thuggery? I didn’t say that. I do say that using political power to veto a business location decision is political thuggery.

Yes American history shows that the federal government subsisted primarily on tarrifs until 1913. And there was NO INCOME TAX! That was before the “Progressives” pushed for and got the 16th Amendment.

[NCVol]

“Now if a group actually works for the benefit of workers, it's "thuggery"”. Who said that was thuggery? I didn’t say that. I do say that using political power to veto a business location decision is political thuggery.

So, name an example of recent union activities you support....

And the NLRB action had no basis in the law at all?  And you came to that conclusion how?  Is there any situation in which Boeing should be prohibited from closing a union plant, moving it to a non-union plant?  In other words, is there any limit on corporate activity you support when it affects labor rights, such as unions? 

Yes American history shows that the federal government subsisted primarily on tarrifs until 1913. And there was NO INCOME TAX! That was before the “Progressives” pushed for and got the 16th Amendment.

Where did you read that it was "progressives" who pushed for the income tax?  Conservapedia?  The Blaze? 

Yeah, it was librul bastions like W. Va, Louisiana, Tennessee Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, Arkansas, TEXAS, who ratified the Amendment.  Dang LIBERALS!  RUIN EVERYTHING!!!  In fact, only four states rejected it - CT, RI, UT, VA.  FORTY TWO approved it. 

Just curious, you believe in free trade or not?  I think it's been a disaster, since it means we "compete" with third world hellholes in a global environmental and wage race to the bottom, and there is some part of the right wing that agrees, but generally the "conservatives" step in line with the corporate lapdog Chamber boys on this issue.  Where do you stand?